Are you having issues with terrible top layers?

I feel your frustration, I have similar problems and what makes it more curious is that I have not one, but two X1E’s and they both mimic the exact same top layer issues which tells me it isn’t just a faulty printer

I come from running Prusas for the last decade and my experience with the X1E has been…underwhelming at best and downright frustrating at worst. For the record I’ve been printing for 10 years and I have more than enough experience tweaking advanced settings on prints and I can’t for the life of me get these X1E’s to print good top surface finishes.

I’ve tried everything: Dry filament, calibration, factory reset, specific setting and flow tweaks, manual Gcode tweaks, physically cleaning and rebuilding the hot end and feeder, replacing parts with newly purchased ones. No luck, no luck at all. I just go back to my Prusa and get perfect prints with no BS. No calibrating, no resetting, no tweaking, no Z offset or layer adjustments, none of that.

I can’t tell if it’s bad equipment or just maybe that Bambu is a young company and their print profiles/firmware is just not as well engineered as Prusas, but I’m just about over this issue as it should be a relatively simple fix, but it just apparently isn’t with these X1E’s. Pretty disappointed considering this is a premium priced machine.

Can you add some pictures of the top layer results that you are struggling with?

Welcome to the forum.

I’ve increased your user level to “Basic user” so you can now add pictures.

Thanks Jon!

So as a precursor, I’ve come a long way as I’ve been troubleshooting. At first I was having similar quality to OP and I’ve now managed to get it to where the attached photos are. I’ve attached a silk filament print because it’s more clear to see, but the issue happens on all filaments, which includes even Bambu brand with stock profiles. I’ve also attached a print with Bambu Basic PLA to show where the struggles are. The edges seem better with slight overextrusion but away from the edges it’s always seemingly underextruded, with gaps.

While it is “good”, it is still far from perfect. I really hope to try to mimic the finish I get from my Prusa and I feel like it’s possible, but it’s becoming exhaustive.

For the record, the Silk is a custom profile I made, but the green is the standard 0.15mm Quality profile.

Apologies for bad focus on some parts, it’s hard to focus multiple small parts for a good shot. Thanks in advance for the help.


Here is another photo with better focus on the top layer issue.

Hey everyone! I’ve been struggling with the same issue on one of my machines for quite some time. Tried many things including resetting firmware, changing extruder and motor, cleaning and calibrating everything again and again. But at the end of it, changing a XY-belt for a new one helped. Had my X1 for a year with good results and started having top layer defects just like on your photos, after changing belts all perfect again. Hope this helps.

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Weird, it looks like one rectilinear top shell layer, or just one layer on top of infill, but I guess severe under/over extrusion might look like this. How many top shell layers is it for the NFL and the green item?

I think you have to go straight for the filament calibration in bambu studio or other and show us that flow rate calibration sheet, i guess they are all trash for the first pass and you can see though them? I did it recently just to really dial things in and I definitely noticed some of the higher flow cases had that checkerboard look on top.

I dug em out of the waste (Bambu PLA Matte):

Poor quality photo but I focused on the problem area, anything 10 or above is a complete mess.

Lenyo, this is why I’m so perplexed, as this print has 4 top layers. The NFL logo I believe we even tried 6 top layers.

I’ve tried every calibration under the sun, both automatic and manual. I even switched to Orcaslicer to try some of the extended calibrations as well.

When doing the manual calibration like your photo above, I found that 0 was the best result for both stages of the calibration. I even redid it to select 5 and then -5 as well to see if I noticed any changes, but did not.

Oddly enough, I replaced one of the nozzles with a 0.6 and the first layer was MUCH nicer, top layer was better as well but some of the remnants of this issue did persist. I just assume that the wider extrusion sort of alleviated the problem.

I have some new 0.4 nozzles coming in today and I’m going to re-run all the calibrations upon the new install and see what I end up with. It has been frustrating.

I’m curious as to why these machines are so finnicky with calibrations as well. Both my Prusa MK3 and 4’s never have to do flow calibrations to achieve good print results, so I’m just curious, is there some sort of design or engineering difference in Bambu that makes this necessary? It just seems like so much work to get things flowing correctly, when I’m used to never having to bother with all these steps.