Downgraded from my old X1C to the New X2D

Ah well, thats user error then! You chose an inferior experience by not loggin in to the bambu cloud!
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I find the constant nudging and half baked local mode infuriating.

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Mind sharing what kinda changes did you make? :smiling_face:

Only difference is they were new to the game with X1C. We’re 4 years in now + they’ve had a year of dual nozzle experience with the H2D. I still think they should sell stuff in ‘Early Access’ if they want to be transparent about the state of the firmware and need the community to help.

The X2D is a superior machine to the X1C. It’s bigger and faster with the dual nozzle setup. And the AMS2 and HT dispensers are also better. The nozzle sizes are also quick change and can be changed in minutes.

Not really any bigger than the X1C. And the 5mm gain in vertical height evaporates when the right nozzle is used.

The HT was already there (same with the AMS 2 Pro) before the X2C and I kind of look at that as something more removed from than the X2D. The two units do as much for the X2D as it did for the X1C.

The nozzle change is an improvement and perhaps more important, are the heated chamber, internal airflow system, air filtration, 1.5mm belts, and a secondary nozzle (albeit a bit inferior to the left nozzle). All that at a lower price.

On paper it is yeah, that’s why so many are frustated that in real world tests, it isn’t

I can agree with your post in some points but not all of them. When I bought the X2D, I didn’t have unrealistic expectations. I only expected the same level as the predecessors, quality and reliability wise. I did many, many tests, using different types of Bambu filaments, to ensure that filament isn’t a factor here. Only then I tried with other manufacturers. Suprisingly, some result was better with some cheap filament than a genuine one. But quality was still subpar, even in easy models. Recently I bought another printer - Anycubic Kobra X. It’s a very simple machine compared to X2D but still, capable to print exactly same models with same filament and simillar settings, in better quality than machine four times more expensive. Yeah, in the case of X2D you also pay for other features but i think you get the point.

Why can we have such expectations? Because Bambu, over the years, has accustomed us to this minimum level of quality. Out of the box, not after hours of tinkering, changing settings, trying to figure out what to do. This is what the company based its marketing on, and it actually worked. I owned P1S, A1, A1 Mini and P2S. X2D, beign a printer from highest series for me yet, sadly is also most disappointing. Struggling even with recommended filament and unable to provide such basics as top layer quality and outer walls uniformity. Not always but it’s another issue - lack of repeatability. I can print same model twice and achieve different results. And believe me, after years with Creality Enders, Elegoo Neptunes, Vorons and many more models of printers without even half of features that new units have, I know quite well what specific settings are for and what to do to maximize print quality.

I could assume it might be a problem with my unit, but since so many people are reporting the same thing, it’s hard to believe. Sure, it’s not the end of the world, I’ll wait for the next firmware update and waste another two rolls of filament for testing, but it’s significantly damaged my trust in the brand. And in an era where the competition is increasingly pushing, offering similar quality at a lower price, and where more and more companies are offering tool changers at reasonable prices, Bambu - with it’s additional Bowden extruder - seems like a step backwards.

I also feel that I have downgraded from my X1C to the X2D. In Fact the X1C is still the one that I use most.
Never had any problem with the X1C and when I has it it was user error. Now, the X2D and AMS Pro 2, together with the switch, well so many problems just to fill the filament. The AMS is much much louder that the old one. stuck filaments, several tries to extrude the filament and then it just start working, wifi problems start to happen with no reason why (not even detect any wifi and after a fiew hours started to work again), and so on, and so on.
When it prints? well it’s a bambu, but most of the times it doesn’t.

At first I was very upset Bambu didn’t give us a clear choice between buying the P2S and X2D (I bought my P2S less than 30 days before the X2D was suddenly released, without advanced notice). But now that I read all the reviews of problems with the X2D… I think I’m pretty satisfied with my choice. That second “print head / but not quite a print head” isn’t all that attractive to me. What I more wish they’d work on is the AMS method and make color change much faster and far less wasteful. I’d rather see a printer with two actual print heads and that quickly pre-changes the non-active head to the next color that will be required. Now that would be a printer and AMS combo.

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Owned the X2D for 2 months now and there have been zero updates to it in this time despite the thing performing worse than my A1 mini and a long was off my old X1C. I actually find it hilarious that my A1 mini is often quicker at printing using the exact same settings and same model. How is that even possible after all the spiel they put up on the website about the X2D? The thing is supposedly the X1C successor? To me it couldn’t even carry its bag.

My guess is they put their heart and soul into redefining FDM printing with the X1C, and now they’re just cashing in on the brand name while other manufacturers have caught up. This is easily the most disappointed I’ve been with a Bambu product, and the lack of urgency to fix anything is really worrying.

The only thing I will give it credit for is first layers seem very reliable, even on plates I’d have issues with on my X1C. But other than that it is worse by every metric and I would genuinely swap it all back if I could.

Sorry to hear that, Wizard. Mine works as well as my X1C, but benefits from the heated chamber and the half-second nozzle.

Still, the idea of having two nozzles, larger print area, and a more mature printer has driven me to put the X2D up for sale. I have an H2D coming Friday for my pickup (don’t trust FedEx) to replace it.

I know that no printer is going to be the picture of virtue, but I think the H2D will better fit my needs long term. The X2D needs more time and firmware updates, but should be a good machine in the long run. Hang in there, Wizard, it can only get better with time.

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Hey, thanks for the motivation haha, and I totally agree with you and I’m gonna hang on and see where I’m at in 12-months time with it. I still think there’s a good printer hiding in there as it does some stuff really well. I honestly think it just needs a bit of TLC with firmware updates to get it up to X1C levels and once that day comes I’ll be a happy man

Oh, come on! There will always be something else to grate your nerves.

I mean.. stop knowing me haha. But yeah, i tend to look at everything through a design/engineering pov so I think about how it could be made better etc. Blessing and a curse.