H2C / H2D, TPU feeder and nozzle can bambu make it more confusing?

Hi i love me h2c and its been working fine but as we all know some TPU’s are not its strong point. So i was hoping they would be working on it and provide a fix that is just as easy as the rest of the printer is/has been. But i am so confused right now.

So currently i am use TPU for ams and i find it has its uses (like grips) used it for 300+ hours no issues. But for softer materials we have the option of using the special tube or using the ‘top loading’ directly into the head. The last one seem to give good results for most tpu’s.

Now they added 2 new parts a feeder that only helps if you use the tube i guess? Or are we going to see ‘top loading designs with the feeder’. And the special nozzle that for now only seems to be available for the h2d.

No clear outline for when to use what and when, the feeder needs to be build as a kit ourselves (seems anti bambu just works for many of us). The nozzle seems to be like 20min of work each time you want to change it and not available for the h2c. No hint on how or even IF they are going todo anything for the h2c (since they put this upgrade on the right nozzle not left.

Again as ‘make my life easy’ its very confusing and given that clearly h2c owners don’t mind spending money the simple ‘fix’ for ptu printing esp. mixing them is adding a snapmaker U1 just for that task.

Am i confused can anyone make sense of what bambu is now expecting us todo for the different models and tpu materials?

Daniel.

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The pictures on the website do show what Bambulab has in mind, don’t they?

They’re talking about the TPU outlet with the PTFE tube … I fill it from the top too and haven’t had any problems at all…

And the Wiki show everything in Detail.

Not really for me. As best i can make out the only claim is that it will ‘just as good’ as feeding it from the top directly ? or would using it and still feeding it from the top be best. And how does it relate to the new nozzle parts? But i guess in your view its just a part so you don’t have to put the ht unit on top of your printer ?

That new part is just to increase consistency if you don’t want to use the top mount. Top mount still sounds the best to me, but you can’t have the AMS on the top of your printer.

So for TPU I just feed though the TPU port on the back of the machine and use the external spool holder. I haven’t had the need to dry it while printing. But if you do, the feeder makes sense because I’ve tried it and gave quite a bit more resistance.

No word on the nozzle for other printers. @SupportAssistant any news?

The feeder takes the place of top mounted TPU feeds. As of now it needs to be mounted per the instructions.

Use it with 85A and up. Is it so hard to print and enclosure and screw in some screws. The point in this approach is to cut price.

Again, there may be a solution for the C. Little early to be saying “who knows”. If it takes you 20 min to change this then…well practice.

I’m not sure I understand this. Wait, I am sure I don’t understand this.

I think you’re confused. No one even has one yet, there’s a lack of information to be sure. You don’t HAVE to use this.

I think my point is very simple in the end bambu knows people want better/easier tpu printing and as you pointed out they leave many things unclear and/or don’t make some kind of roadmap for this. The comment about the snapmaker U1 is very simple people who now use h2d/h2c’s but really want solid 1 or more tpu materials will probably add a 'simpler’ printer for that task since this looks very messy to me. The fact that its been a while now and there is lack of information and now they did release 2 things at the same time without a clear : We improved the tpu printing on our printers like this : a,b,c is the main problem.

It’s really not that complicated. It’s two different unrelated optional add-ons.

The High Flow TPU nozzles are for those that want to optimize a machine for printing lots of TPU. Maybe they are doing small batch manufacturing or a very large TPU part (people that print shoes for example). If you are just printing small TPU parts occasionally then it’s not for you. Don’t worry about it. As for the H2S and maybe H2C, hopefully kits for those will be released at some point too, but it makes sense to start with the H2D given how many more are out there.

The external TPU assist just makes life easier when dealing with filaments that don’t work well in long convoluted paths like an AMS. TPU is the obvious one, but large 3kg and 5kg spools as well as very brittle filaments can also benefit. I can tell you from experience that an assist device sourcing from an external spool/dry box is very useful and convenient for all of those use cases. I have a custom external assist feeder based on a Melow LLL for my H2D and I use it all the time. However, it was a whole project to get setup. I had to make a power connector for it, solder in an on/off switch, and design a mount for it. Having a supported product that is intended to work with the printer and doesn’t require customizations will be much easier for the masses.

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Thanks for the reply i understand what you are saying these 2 new options are for a limited amount of people but i guess that also means that for more mainstream users not much has been improved and no clear vision if it will. For example unless i missed it the printing on both nozzles of the h2c is still unclear and in some ways we went backwards in that i was able to print tpu for ams find on both nozzles but now get a warning on the left one.

Seems like bandaids and trying to be relevant while the competitors are making their tpu use look effortless. Less tubes and less making the machine push rope really makes tpu dead simple, but bambus ams loves tubes and loves to push rope for a meter through multiple fittings. Top mount free fed into the extruder works great but doesn’t improve company margin though. :wink:

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Which competitors are supporting soft TPU in an AMS like unit?

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Anycubic kobra x [ claimed; we will see ], Snapmaker U1, Prusa XL, Prusa/Any + INDX, Flashforge AD5x, Elegoo CC 2

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There are free translating tools online. Really, type in your native language and let it process. I don’t understand half of what you’re saying.

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I don’t think any of those are using an AMS like system, but I agree that multiple completely separate toolheads work well for TPU. I thought you were saying someone else had the AMS + soft flexibles figured out.

Snapmaker’s U1 has feed assist mechanisms for each of the 4 spools if I’m not mistaken. That is probably because flexibles, brittle materials, and oversized spools don’t feed well through long PTFE tubes. So, this really isn’t overly complicated in my opinion.

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AMS systems were a gap filler for companies that didnt want to copy the prusa xl, but did want to copy the mmu idea/software…or saw massive filament sales from purge and ams addon sales(ams, hub, power supply, long cables etc). All they really do is store filament in a non sealed box, create filament sales, slow the whole process way down and increase the cost of the package, vs a real toolchanger

We started out like apple(X1), and ended like a late 90’s Nokia with 17 addons(H2C). Im waiting for a wifi antenna with dancing lights

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if you can’t understand it, it’s probably really not for you

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tpu nozzle only supports H2D currently as it requires a small part change on the toolhead. The chance of a induction variant is low tbh.

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Yes, I know. I think I stated that. I also think I stated I ordered in haste. I appreciate you pointing it out though.

It shoudnt take 20 minutes to change the nozzle on the H2D once you do the initial conversion. It’s two screws for the nozzle if you plan to use the TPU HF nozzle, and one for the cutter/torsion spring.

I can understand your frustration if some of this isn’t your jam. I’ve helped lots of people with what the heck this thing is, and what it solves. It’s true Bambu could have done a little better job explaining things like “It still doesn’t let you put TPU in an AMS.” People like me are the ones answering those questions. I’m not going to talk to you like you’re stupid, I’m just going to explain it for anyone who wants to know.

This thing solves 3 problems. Drag, sync with the printer, and unloading retraction.
Drag is from every tube, every connection, every bend, the spool, and just about everything else that makes up the infeed. Things like filament dryers and spool holders will all add to the drag as well. This thing pulls the filament and the spool most of the way without letting the weight etc affect the filament between the module and the extruder. Without it, it’s really easy for that drag and weight to stretch the softer filaments and screw up the flow rate. An AMS is a nightmare for TPU and drag because “pushing a rope” through a tube is possible, but it’s going to be hard as heck. An AMS pushing might actually just add drag.

Normally we also use the AMS to sync our filament with the printer, but the AMS relies on the filament to push a switch in the buffer to tell it when to “push” and “pull”. TPU just sucks at doing that reliably. The infeed assist module is designed to reliably handle this job with softer materials. Sadly it isn’t for use with harder materials as well aside from poking it with PLA or PETG to calibrate it.

Lastly there’s unloading retraction. You probably already know that the bypass doesn’t handle unloading at all and that we do this manually. The TPU infeed module should handle this as well, though I’ve not seen it explicitly stated. I guess if it doesn’t then you have another legitimate reason to complain about it lol.

The top loading vs tube loading is basically just a bonus in my books, but you should still count being able to tube load TPU reliably as a win overall. It’s certainly not a loss anyway.

IN THEORY: this thing combined with a splitter with proper filament detection could let us switch between AMS hard materials and bypass tube soft materials. We’d need a splitter that talks to the machine, or at least follows g-code instructions.

I’m not saying I’m making one with another guy at this point, but it has been discussed with another guy and it could happen if Bambu doesn’t deliver the proper solution for this.
I’ve got one skill set that covers one part of the work, and he’s got another that includes the bit I wouldn’t want to tackle.

At this point there’s no reason that these upgrades shouldn’t lead to better multi-material printing.

I’ll also point out that a similar module + splitter setup for hard materials would also let us do 5-color with 1 AMS and would be even easier (mechanically speaking). That would require more firmware integrations though, and Bambu probably wouldn’t like that since it would cut into AMS sales. Still, someone will eventually do it if they don’t lol. That’s just the industry we are in.

There ya go. An explanation, some clarification, and a little bonus speculation. I’m mainly just here to clarify the things we’ve been clarifying in the forums for a while now, your post mainly just happened to be on the right topic but I hope you enjoyed it anyway. This needed to be clarified in this forum either way.

Great explanation. Only thing I’ll add is that its not so great for retracting filament. So far, every time, I’ve had to pull the ptfe tube off the toolhead and pull the filament out of the toolhead by hand, before it will actually retract. The wiki says to do it also, so not user error. It was so close to being decent