Is Vision Encoder worth? Is there any big difference if you use it?

You should all listen to Dr TAO interview on the vision encoder where he explains the difference between resolution, precision and accuracy.

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He offers another nugget of advice which is to use a filament with low shrinkage, perhaps one with CF in it, because he says the shape of the part may affect how well the shrinkage compensation works.

If you’re expecting to visually see a difference after using the plate, I think you’ll be disappointed. However, if you’re printing something with gears that mesh, maybe you’ll notice a difference in how well they mesh. Likewise for parts that fit together with tight tolerance.

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I’m glad I read about the hard-to-spot film here. I actively looked for one but was unable to see it so ran a calibration with it still there - which completed just fine. Recalling this thread I then looked again and again until I saw a faint bubble in a corner. Sure enough there was a film.

Interestingly enough, a new calibration after removing it ended up within 5-12 µm from the previous result.

Apart from that story I had a maximum improvement of 1054 µm… wtaf!? Over a full millimeter?! I’ve had the printer for like 10 days, maybe I should print some serious tests instead of filament clips.

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tighten your belts i guess

Yeah, im thinking the h2d actually needed this plate…For some reason. 1mm is nuts. Imagine if they shipped it to someone who couldnt afford the plate with the printer. With 1mm, id expect the plate to come in the box. At first, I thought the plate took the precision to ā€œbeyond normalā€, but the more I see people post their compensation numbers, the more im thinking that without the plate, the h2d is sloppy.

One of my printers was off by 550ish and the other by 450ish. Imagine if I was stuck with that variance.

It makes a difference if you print parts that need tight clearance.

I’ve found that after using the vision encoder plate, my H2D will reliably, repeatably print articulating functional parts with clearance gaps down to ~0.05mm on straight parts, and 0.07mm on circular parts enclosed all around the circumference.

Before using the vision encoder plate, there were inconsistent results with gaps <0.15mm (some positions were good, some were unfreeably ā€œstuckā€).

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I wonder whether Aurora Tech Channel’s clearance test could detect the improvement? Or if not that one, what sort of clearance test could?

That’s the tolerances I’m used to on my p1s. For a 6x3mm magnet I have to make the hole 6.15x3.1mm. I have been doing the same prints on the H2D and I’m finding the same holes are a little looser and I need glue to hold the magnet in.

I think it’s calibrated once at the factory so it’s more of a maintenance item. My printer said it was max 0.65mm off but there wasn’t any difference in the printed parts before/after. So new printers are probably ok (?)

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Looks like I’m buying one when I restock then. I’m working on something that needs exactly that kind of precision. I’m going nuts with about a 0.15 variance print to print.

For reference here’s the vision encoder calibration results of my H2D after a few hours of break-in.

I haven’t printed any closely-mating parts to do any comparative testing, but the real value I see in this is ensuring that mating parts printed on different H2D’s fit reliably.

Edit: on second thought, if mating parts are printed together on the same plate, the orientation of the parts on the plate matters, so this could improve the fit of parts printed on the same H2D.

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According to my testing (which was very extreme), this is true and the vision encoder calibration makes a difference.

One of the (slight, but made a difference in my tests) problems before calibration was exactly this - differences in clearances/tolerances based on position of parts on the build plate.

I can’t emphasize enough how impressively a ā€˜good’ H2D (one that had proper QC and also didn’t get damaged in shipping) that is well calibrated with the vision encoder is - I can print function, articulating, close-clearance test prototypes on the H2D that couldn’t even be considered printing except on a well-calibrated good quality resin printer.

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Those screenshots of the vision encoder are nice and all but they don’t mean much without real world testing before and after parts. Make some blocks with fittings, with holes, and measure them with calipers. Then print the same set of parts again with the vision encoder results on.

The one thing I can say my vision encoder results were nearly identical across 8+ tests. After I changed out my tool head and x axis those numbers jumped up 150 consistently on every test since. So it was a huge benefit after changing out the x-axis. Something changed when I replace the x-axis, and the vision encoder corrected for it. All my results after the replacement are consistent with the new numbers. So the machine was able to recognize the difference, and the calibrations are consistent.

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If anyone has a moment to giggle, I’m really curious to see what happens when you:

  1. Take that vision encoder sheet to kinkos (or a mediocre quality copy shop near you) and have them copy it on one of their large format printers.
  2. Rerun calibration on your H2D with the copy

Like, I kind of want it to give you a malformed benchy. That would be hilarious. But I have a suspicion…

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