Potential Painful Blow to FDM Printing in the US

He seems to me sort of biased in his video, though it’s sort of obvious he’s trying to be balanced in his review of the Stratasys’ lawsuit filling. He also comes out a bit (more) condescending towards his intended audience, and a bit (to much) of “all knowing” on things he himself stated at the beginning of his video, has no expertise or knowledge of, respectively comprehending and adequately interpreting all the “legalese” included by Stratasys in its lawsuit.
Being an in-house corporate legal counsel myself (though not that regularly involved with IP cases, as these are more common occurrence on the US side), I find several of his statements unsupported by any evidence, and that some of his assumptions seem to be on the wild side, presumingly knowing beforehand what the plaintiff and defendant legal teams will argue, what evidence might be presented to the court and what type of (possible) settlement agreement might be reached between the parties. This is definitely a long-term lawsuit, it hasn’t yet started, it would involve lots of “blood” from either party, and although it clearly switches the burden of proof onto the defendant instead of onto the plaintiff, no one at this stage can predict what the final outcome will be. Nevertheless, when this lawsuit will be over, the 3D manufacturers landscape will be completely different, with lots of corporate “bodies” either going out of business, or we will be seeing plenty of “hostile takeovers”.

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Worse case scenario is if Statasys buy Bambu Lab like they bought makerbot and ultimaker. If they do, we’ll have to hope we can switch to 3rd party firmware before they lock the printers down.

I think Stratasys is after the money when going after BL, though it could turn out they may want a piece of BL pie as well, given that besides sitting on their arses for the past 20 years or so, Stratasys hasn’t brought a thing worth mentioning (or purchasing) to the 3D market. No offense intended to any britons out there, but I cannot stop comparing Stratasys attitude and mentality to britons’ nostalgia and longing for their long gone imperial golden days. Both tend to live in their past and seem to have lost touch with the present.

So to sum up…

  1. F______ STRATASYS!

  2. Why Texas? Legit quesiton. Someone even mentioned most of troll cases are taken into Texas. Non-US living being here asking.

  3. F______ STRATASYS!

  4. The X1 alternate firmware is cool… for the X1 series… but the P1 series being cheaper may have more units in the wild and be left “closed source” at one point… Dunno about the A1 series either.

  5. F______ STRATASYS!

  6. And after the A1 callback delay for the new flagship… will this pose a new delay to the new flagship anouncement? LOL

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They’ve sort of let it slip that a new (apparently larger and better) flagship might be launched sometime towards the end of the 4th quarter (most likely mid-end November at the earliest), but I wouldn’t rise my hopes to high, as that launch might very well be pushed further on (January or later) if the final tests on the new machine aren’t showing last minute hiccups forcing them to postpone. There’s also the alleged IP rights infringement lawsuit, with Stratasys, that needs to be considered, as if there are any supporting evidence from Stratasys on BL infringing its IP rights, BL will have to review and (re)consider what may and what may not go into the new flagship , that might rise the stakes (and risks) during this frivolous lawsuit.

They were about to announce it in Feb right BEFORE the A1 infamous issue arised… so im sure the new flagship was ready, they’re just burning the last recall vouchers time and now this! It’s quite hilarious…

That’s not uncommon with him. He only wants clicks and could care less about accuracy.

I really can’t understand why anyone would give him a minute of time. Especially on this forum after what he did, taking off with the “X1 hacked” bs awhile back. He and 3D Musketeers are very anti-Bambu. To the point where they will outright lie, and shrivel when they get called out. Never had any proof because it didn’t exist.

This is a long road and nothing will affect anyone here for quite a bit if at all.

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Funny thing. Just got notified by the forum’s system that my post about “the greed” has been flagged by some user as “off topic” and has been removed. The system has apparently also removed the post to which my comment (the one about greed) was responding.

I read the patent for the heated bed with polymer coating. US6421675B1 - Search engine - Google Patents

I particularly like the dependent claim n°15

  1. The build apparatus of claim 1, wherein the thermally conductive plate is non-magnetically secured to and removable from the build platform.

XD

Yes, the post you were replying to was flagged by multiple community members and was removed. The author of the post you replied to flagged your post and I op’d to removed it as it didn’t make sense without the original post.

Good to know the context. Next time I’ll quote so that my reply will make some sense. :grin:

Then of those should be classed as prior art and they didn’t own MakerBot when purge towers were a thing so tough and as I understand it if it’s been published somewhere your patent is worthless

That may not be true. A number of patent ownership cases have gone to notebooks and other evidence to decide who actually did what first.

The laser patent is a big example of that and used as an example of why documentation of ideas and having others sign on notebook pages is important. Really interesting because it also includes IP theft.

When you get dentures, they give 2 sets. First a plastic set while youre healing. Then the good set later.

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I believe that the plaintiff has waited too long to file a complaint and may forfeit his protection because there is “a duty to defend” their patent in a timely manner. In my view, they may have waited too long and may have therefore blown it.

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Valid arguments. Remains to be seen what arguments BL legal team will use and whether the TX judge (infamously known for skipping due diligence
process and traditionally siding with the IP holders, no matter if they’re right or wrong in their claims) will consider and accept them over those invoked by Stratasys. Most likely, I think, this will go further
on appeal. Looking forward to going over both the plaintiff’s and defendant’s arguments. It will definitely make for an interesting and instructive lecture.

When the US first became a country, a fellow patented the clock. For years clock manufacturers paid the fees. That is until one company decided not to pay. The fellow was unable to substantiate his claims in court, as the clock had been invented and developed in England and The Netherlands many years before, and no one has paid a license fee for a clock since.

Thomas Jefferson invented the moldboard plow. But after Jefferson had died, John Deere took out a patent and prevented competition for many decades.

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It seems to me that there is enough traction in the argument that they didn’t defend in a timely manner to make injunctive relief unlikely to succeed.

You get 6 years. Possibly why they chose bambu. Theyve only been infringing for a little over 2.

And also, on a side note.
" * Plant patents

Protect newly invented or discovered plant varieties and last for 20 years. When the patent expires, the patented material is in the public domain.

  • Design patents

Protect the unique visual qualities of a manufactured item, such as a bottle’s shape or a sneaker’s design. These patents last for 15 years from the date the patent is granted"

The plant patent kills some arguments here as there is no invention involved. Just 1st come 1st served.

Patents make capitalism possible. Just pay for the licensing or do like e3d/Biqu did and collaborate. Super simple stuff to any adult that has dealt with the real world.

So a patent holder may choose to ignore infringements (by multiple companies) for more than 6 years, and suddenly when a particular new company comes along, they may choose to go after that company?

That doesn’t sound right, especially as long as there is no way that Stratasys did not know about possible infringements by a multitude of companies way before Bambu came along, and they did nothing to defend the patents earlier.

However, my knowledge of patent laws is borderline non-existent, so it wouldn’t be surprising if that is actually how it works. To me, the patent system (and perhaps the U.S one in particular) seems so fundamentally broken that a complete overhaul is necessary.