I wish there just wasn’t any points involved in Makerworld at all, other than “fame” or whatever. Not only is it the reason for all these copycats and bots and kindergarten disputes but also (I reckon) for the ridiculous flow of (technically “by the rules”) poor clones of good designs with ridiculously over thought names such as “The best ultimate excess chute system v3.0” (I mean, system? Give me a break!) for ridiculously over engineered ■■■■ no-one even needs. Not to mention systematic production of clueless print profiles (again with “catching” names) competing with much better ones made by the original author and only adding noise, at best. My impression is MW is currently way more polluted than Printables even though you also can earn points of some financial value there too, maybe that mostly is due to “timing”.
Edit: On another note it’s just daft that this forum censors a perfectly SFW word as c r a p like it did above. Enabling things like that in a forum usually just leads to ridiculous situations like not being able to be named Dick, use bearings from FAG or have asses and cocks on your farm. What is this, Disneyworld?
I agree with your text a lot. The easy “modification” (or plain just steal) with maximum financial reward is too tempting to resist by many. So a original creator which needs time to design/print/test something unique is instant on the back foot.
Spamming the timeline with lots of borrowed designs will give you many followers and points. This is how the world works but it’s frustrating nevertheless.
But how can we prevent this! Which incentive van we give original creators to make the hours work worthwhile?
Models should receive a score based on effort after they have been uploaded. AI should make it possible. An elaborate model that takes someone a week to complete: 2000 points. A model generated by an algorithm of a programme (e.g. Fibunacci wrapped in a spiral): 1 point. Downloads of the model: 0 points. Please don’t get me wrong, this is just to illustrate the principle. This way you would be rewarded for real work, not for other trash (unnecessary copies, copyright infringements, etc.).
This also leads to a better ranking: models are sorted according to the number of points they receive, not according to downloads. This means: elaborate model, with a lot of labour investment: at the top of the page. Dough scraper: at the bottom of the page.
Complicated and overengineered models are not always the best solution although I like them.
And this solution has a general problem: it makes it much easier for copycats to get points. Just upload a ripped overcomplicated model a few times and get an x1c for free
Yes there should be some kind of honest economy. In MW everything has the same value, but the problem is how to determine this value. A great idea with less work is as much valuable as an elaborate design with meh interesting factors. Shouldn’t the original designer determine this value upfront.
Maybe an economy of spending points on designs and receiving points for your original “priced” designs (from your peers here). MW can reward accordingly on points earned.
This just an exercise in “what if” , the pitfalls are there off course.
no looks like he got away with them being remixes, even though on some he never credits the original designer and i feel like adding you own paypal to a “remix” should be banned
I would be cautious with AI; it’s easy to jailbreak them, most of these copycats we see have used AI to generate faux descriptions so they don’t look the same, and AI is not at all as reliable as people think it is. The alternative is having real people assess each upload, but that’s not realistic, especially if the copycats/bots keep spamming the same stuff all the time.
Having it so you need to undergo a screening/interview to request an “uploader” account would probably solve this issue, but this has its limitations and risks too; bias during interviews, new applicants using fake information to bypass said interviews, and the site establishing an elitism with select individuals and/or model types are just a few of the problems. You also need to have real people in this method, as AI can once again jailbreak if you know what you’re doing.
Sadly there is no magic bullet to this issue; a combination of all suggestions would work, but that requires careful consideration which I am sure BambuLab will struggle with, just like every other media platform on the internet. Printables and Cults3D have the same problems with stolen content as MakerWorld does.
Sure? You should see where I receive emails from and ask if they can use the photos… They discovered them somewhere on a surfer that I’ve never heard of. Officially I don’t say anything, unofficially I could say thank you to everyone who put my URL in their blog since it`s noted on the Picture itself…
It’ll be funny if they start sell it on rights and the new owner thinks he can sue for the rights… Whoever sold it to them will never found and the buyers are not inexperienced on claming at all… So what you read here are the smaller problems.
In the end it ends up being a download page as Makerworld anyway - but may by Autodesk and not Bambulab. YouTube also had to clean it up very expensively, but they have Google as the owner… May Bambulab will not survieve someone like Autodesk if those guys getting hot if this getting big…
Yeah, it is ridiculous that they can just say it is remix. But not actually change anything.
Printables added a required field for remixes where you specify what you actually changed.
My third claim on that guy was rejected also because again he just made it private. I keep his page up now and refresh it daily to watch for him making it public again. I did also report the user. which came back as “successful”. but his profile is still up, so I have no idea what that even does?
This whole thing has completely changed my perspective on this. I used to look at remixes and 3rd party profiles thinking they improved on the original in some way. Now I rarely do because I want the original creator to get my download.
This person too. I reported their profile and listed links for all the models, which is essentially all of them, from where they stole them from (most of the time INCLUDING photos) and while it says the report was successful all of the listings are still up. This person should be BANNED.
Got 10 successful model take downs and a successful Profile report. The reported models got taken down, profile still up. Opened a ticket to ask what exactly a “successful profile report” does.
It’s amazing how many people read this forum so cearfuly - so a quick, non-binding follow-up. Maybe wrong but may worth to think about ones in a lifetime:
First of all, I do not see persons on the web as “bad” at all. There are also underage persons, low experienced persons how simply don’t know what they are doing or persons under a huge financial pressure e.g. out of the 3rd world. So, it is always the question how you act to the situation and not how the system needs to by adjusted to your needs. And self-protection should never be neglected.
For private use is normally for private use. An upload is a publication action – which can by done also as a private person but that`s may no longer a private action since as the word publication is mixing in.
Commercial use may also mean, do not making it available for commercial use. Commercial actions can may be also actions of companies that sell products, websites that generate income for example via Google Absence.
At least in my country, exchanging gods by bypassing taxes is not allowed. Getting thru my work discount means to me – I need to add. those discounts to my tax declaration. Since this will getting to complicated I anyway will not do it at all or the discounts needs to by much, much bigger so that including it in my tax return is worthwhile.
So, if you want band copyright risk is may simple. To use up lodes, a CAD with commercial right are may to request or a proofed of use of an open source CAD. Everything else is up to those how do it. They need to know it by them self if they like or can by done by themself or not - Don`t need to by criticised thru me.
