Request: DRM+Blockchain+Crypto - The BambuPrint Store

First, I’ll preface this by pointing out that BambuLabs has just about everything in place (I’d say, they’re load testing at the moment) to do this: encryption, a “store front,” user identity, machine identity, video recording, in-system logging.

We’ve all seen, and maybe some of us have experienced, designs made by a person being given away or sold, against the rights outlined in “Usage Agreements” (which are based on the honor system, at best). In many cases, not even the meager sum of attribution is granted. Others might print these objects and also profit from someone else’s work.

Ultimately, this will lead designers to ask the question themselves: This is my time that is being sold, and I receive no benefit (and, perhaps, complaints to add features to their models!) Maybe, if you’re just starting out and you want to get your designs out there, vanity is enough of a payment, especially if someone else is feeding you or housing you or designing is a hobby. Other people, however, those who have professionally committed to designs that “work” and “fit perfectly”… have to eat.

Giving away their intellectual property isn’t an option for them. They would be, in effect, creating competitors. Why should it be acceptable for people who use their time to educate and train themselves and perfect their abilities and invest in toolsets, to give away their talents while no one questions the fact that ditch diggers, garbage haulers, prostitutes, drug dealers and tax collectors must all be paid for their services?

To that end: I would like to see an extension to Online Models or Makerworld, or some other platform, to allow for paid printing of models. The models could be printed as many times as desired, but at a cost. Failed models would not be charged, if the failure was determined by the Cloud AI (spaghetti, etc.) Payment would be in some form of crypto, maybe a new token, that uses each movement and extrusion from a printer’s logs, as well as the image stream, to establish a blockchain. The printed model itself would contain a blockchain identifier, perhaps an internal QR code, or modulated extrusions that could be machine read to produce a unique identity.

I print and sell many models. I am happy to continue doing so. However, if that ability were distributed, the benefits would be tremendous. An easy, obvious example: Many of my models are sold internationally. Everything has to be packed and shipped across the globe.

Think of the energy used to move a 3 ounce package to Australia, Italy, the UK, the Netherlands, or anywhere else from the US (or other countries). All the vehicles (vans, trucks, airplanes), all the people (and the vehicles they use to get to their logistics centers), all the computing resources to track these packages, all the energy to run the sorting machines - all of this could be immediately eliminated if, for example, someone with a BambuLab printer and the right filament and shipping capabilities in any of those areas could see my Request To Print, bid on it, win the bid, print and ship, from the customer’s locality. Upon confirmation of receipt by the customer, the smart contract would pay the person who printed the part. Instead of weeks for a model to get to a customer, transit would be cut down to a couple of days, at most! Even better: a customer with a BambuLab printer could print the part herself! Instead of an idle printer, the printer (or printers) could be earning for their owners.

Making the logistics train “all electric” isn’t the answer. Doing that merely shifts the problem to centralized, vulnerable power centers. That is extremely myopic (“I don’t see the smoke, so I did my part!”). Eliminating the need for as much of the logistics train as possible, however, would be disruptive and would have a net positive impact. Or… we can keep paying for semi-tractors and trains and ships and cargo planes to move bits of plastic across continents and oceans.

I don’t expect many people will react positively to this. Especially people who believe “free” really means “without cost” and that they should be entitled to the work of designers and engineers, gratis, simply because they lack the tools, time and talent to create those models themselves. Those “free” models will still be there. But, there should be a platform that supports the creators of those models as well, one that prevents the theft of their IP, so they can be encouraged to create better models.

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I personally hate everything about this idea and wish you the best of luck in lighting your money time and efforts on fire. This sounds like someone put a gun to chatgpts head and forced it to love cryptocurrency.

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I encourage you to live by your philosophy and find the happiness you’re espousing: Walk up to your supervisor and demand that you receive no pay for your services.

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I asked him and he said no

//hint: he’s me

If you’re a drug dealer that has a day job as a garage hauler, with a side gig at the cemetery, you’d have no problem getting around the issue of paying your prostitute. As long as you pay your taxes, no one will know. The taxes, man, that’s how they get ya!

Anyway though, I think what you’re looking for already exist in other sites. It seems to me that you want to sell printed models, but also want to be able to have a system where you can have someone local print and ship the model for you.

As it relates to Makerworld and it’s focus and user base though, that’s just. Not it. People come to Makerworld because they’re looking for things THEY can print, not so they can pay someone else to print it for them. I don’t think anyone would want to purchase a model they’re only allowed to print x number of times. I would not ever, EVER, purchase something like that. It’s that sort of cheap nickel and diming that’d cause me to make free versions of the same thing.

Also, I have a mouth to feed, home to afford, electricity to pay. I put my models up on Makerworld so others can download and print them for free, but that doesn’t mean I’m not getting paid. I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but Bambu has put a decent amount of effort into systems which reward the designers.

Makerworld/Bambu, the users of this website, do support me and my efforts. I appreciate the heck out of it. I’ve been able to take on a number of huge projects because of that support and backing. It’s not just that it affords me the filament, but things like the exclusive program really help me to afford the time investment required for some of this stuff. I think it’s short sighted to act like people are just getting stuff for free and us designers suffer from it. We don’t. There’s been an increasing number of awesome projects because of that level of support that designers get on this site.

Gross. At least you stopped short of suggesting we make NFTs out of our models. This whole idea that somehow crypto currency and the blockchain are going to solve anything… all they’ve done is give money launderers and con-men a new set of tools to play with.

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All of these arguments defy the fact that BambuLab has closed their system and is laying the groundwork for what I propose. The convergence of 3D printing, indeed all manufacturing, and blockchain is inevitable.

What we have, today, with manufacturing equipment is just slightly better than an analog music record. There’s still a lot of human-hands-on activity required to make parts. Humans resist even simple sensors to detect when their machines are running or not, at their own peril. “Just take my word for it, we need more machines… trust me” doesn’t fly anymore. Modern machines have integrated sensors and MQTT and they report just about everything happening, but that last step, end-to-end encryption, auditable proof that the machine did what it was told to do, ownership of the work files, isn’t there. The lack of these technologies is why we have theft and defects.

3D printers are the easiest place to start to manage these issue because, for BambuLab printers, it will only take firmware updates.

Now, if what you want to do is give away your time - do it! If you don’t value your time, if your family doesn’t value your time, why should I? Why should anyone else? If the price of your time is vanity, make yourself a Like-millionaire! Do it! If all it takes is a Thumbs Up to get you up in the middle of the night to answer a customer’s question from a country on the other side of the planet, go for it!

I look at the time I have now, and the work I do, as valuable, far more expensive than a Like or a Thumbs Up or a Nod or a Whatever. People from around the world contact me for my work, and they pay for it - happily - because no one else is competently filling their requirements.

But, like I said: if your time is worthless, that’s fine! I’ll view your time as worthless, too! And, I encourage you in that endeavor! Take all the time you have and give it away to anyone and everyone. I’ll bet, however, there will be a day when you’ll wish you had just one more minute to share with someone important to you.

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

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But did you explain to him (you) how much you hate the idea of being paid? I mean, an impassioned plea would be in order here.

Well I did read an article that AI performs better when you threaten it LOL…

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Again: I value my time. You’re arguing for the exact opposite. Without blockchain, or NFTs, who would own your work? If you post your models on BambuLab’s site - who really owns it? You?

No. They do.

They can wipe your account and its history as if you never existed and turn right around and sell your models. Too bad, so sad.

At least with an NFT or token assigned to your model, with a smart contract, BambuLabs wouldn’t be able to do anything with your model that you didn’t already approve of. Ownership and identity would be immutable.

That some nitwits scrawled drawings of monkeys with crayons and sold those as NFTs does not detract from the real value of NFTs, crypto and blockchains. Your argument is precisely the same argument HP, Data General, DEC and IBM used when they looked at personal computers in the 70s and labeled them as, “toys,” and called their creators con-men, and again by Dell and IBM when they looked at the iPhone as a, “toy.” Their markets and businesses were decimated by both technologies.

Web 3. That’s what’s here. Be a late adopter, or don’t adopt it at all. The world will evolve around you.

I look forward to seeing your functional prototype.

//the type of people who crow this stuff have never once delivered

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I’m gonna drop this here for anyone that hasn’t seen it.

I’d also recommend this channel. He’s covered a number of crypto scams and the such.

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Newsflash: Napster lost. Get over it.

BambuLabs is looking at a billion dollar market with BambuLabs Model Store. It’s been proven in a few places you might have heard of. Then again… maybe you haven’t.

For the serious among us:
iTunes
Amazon Prime
Netflix
Audible
Kindle
Apple App Store
Google Play
Spotify
Cable TV
XM Radio

All of those are within reach of BambuLabs. One more tweak, and they’re there. One more tweak and content creators can start earning, without the fear that their models will end up in some Chinese flash drive for sale in Walmart. That you expect BambuLabs, with all the infrastructure they’ve put in place, to ignore that opportunity truly is laughable. To expect to convince everyone else to keep creating for free, to expect them to not have the right to protect or profit from their own work is absurd.

But hey, feel free to not post anything on that market when it becomes available. Give your content away. Go to your job and demand that you not be paid for whatever service you provide (I suspect your superiors would agree and laugh just as heartily). Live by your rules, for as long as you can.

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OK? That’s not 25 characters! How did you get away with that?

It’s a NFT.

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I use < small > < small > < small > without the spaces… but I think anything between the < > might work.

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Correct you can use <thisisthesongthatneverends>

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