Print profile and design cannot be separated. A 3MF file always contains both. With a very simple object, it is easy to upload the 3MF as a print profile including model and perhaps also make the model available for download in a different way, as STL or OBJ etc.
For complex models that consist of many individual parts, other options are used.
You upload parts of the model as an independent design with a print profile, separating each part of the model from the others. You then have one design and therefore only one object per print profile.
You upload all parts of a model as one design with a print profile. You then have each part of a model in a single print profile. However, you may need to separate some parts of the model for technical reasons. Then you have some parts of the model as a new design with a print profile and upload this as an independent design, separate from the original model to which it belongs.
If you have to split a model for technical reasons, then it is probably clearer if you only create one design on Makerworld for your model; and you upload the remaining parts of the same model as another print profile (because the print profile and model / mesh data cannot be separated). Then you have several print profiles with different model parts for one design.
BambuLab must ensure that each print profile is given a digital stamp of the print object it contains. In other words, a unique number. As soon as another user uploads a new print profile, this print profile must contain the stamp of the print object of the model creator (i.e. the designer). Then it can also be reacted to as soon as the creator updates his model. His updated model then has a different number / stamp than the derived print profiles from his previous model. From that point on, you can then proceed as you wish with the other print profiles: mark them as out of date, give the model creator the choice to remove them, notify the profile creator and ask for a change, or whatever.
Also, the above options are all associated with different download numbers and points accumulated from them, which leads to imbalance between different designers. This also needs to be solved somehow. While one designer integrates 40 printing plates into his print profile and receives only one download for 40 plates, another designer with 40 plates receives 40 times more downloads if he uploads each plate as an individual design / print profile. To summarise briefly: a clear line must be drawn here as to how models are made available in order to create equality in the number of downloads and thus points collected. Or equality must be achieved in another way. Because designers are listed in search results according to downloads and therefore those with higher download figures are naturally at the top.
In my opinion it is right that users are free to upload their profile, it is up to us to evaluate whether it is appropriate to print an object with 1 wall and then see it broken as soon as we pick it up… instead I appreciate seeing serious people which upload better quality profiles, or which in any case are proof that the model has been appreciated and printed.
But going back to spam profiles, as soon as the feature was activated I immediately reported a profile with a fake photo: the next day the staff removed it and notified me. The back office of Makerworld and Bambu Lab itself are made up of good people, they work as well as I would do in their place. Well done!!
I would typically agree, it is a nice feature for users to be able to upload improvements to the profiles. But after uploading a couple models and seeing both the spam cyborgs and the average user it just doesn’t hold up. In theory everyone can upload whatever and its up to the printers to decide how strong they need their models. But in practice its far from it, its just a bunch of cyborgs racing to the bottom for a quick 20 downloads and a bunch of people voting 1-3* because they cant bother to clean their own beds. Not rewarding the designers because 1/100 of the downloaders could not differ a print profile from his own finger grease on the bed is not really fair and is not really creating an environment where people want to share their hard work.
I also feel like a lot of people give low ratings because of anger/jealousy/pumping their own profiles. I have not yet received a sub 5* which can give a reasonable response to what the issue is. I’m always left ignored or someone complaining that when changing to a completely different bed than the profile requests, and not cleaning the bed for 14 weeks the model does not stick. And if hes allowed to change bed and still give a rating then maybe he should also be required to add a 2mm brim if he really hates soap that much…
And I’m not talking about removing the functionality, just giving more power to the designers, there are some profiles I’m very happy people have uploaded, a couple from @Tridense for example. I’m more angry he choose to not upload profiles to all my models that were lacking. But that’s about it, for every good profile someone uploads, I get 10 bad uploads.
The model update notification is in our recent schedule.
A designer may optionally choose to send a message to print profile uploaders to let them know the model geometry update.
Thank you for this information. Please, just make sure they have a limited time to update their print profile and require them to provide an updated real photo of the new print. If they fail to do so within the grace period allow us designers to remove the print profile.
Please take a look at the other post about the user that is stealing and photoshopping images to pretend they printed out the profile: User Spamming 'Fast Profile' is using Fake/Photoshopped Images - #19 by xsynatic
MakerWorld support took action and removed all of their profiles, but now they are active and have added over 100 profiles today alone.
Our support team is handling this.
Yes. We will also add 3 report type for print profile in the next update:
- Repeatedly uploading
- No real print image
- Use other’s actual print image
The points reward will be optimized in the next update. If a user downloads multiple print profiles (belonged to the same model) from a designer(or a print profile uploader), only the first download will be counted.
Model creators now have the chance to instantly deleted print profiles that do not have any pictures uploaded. What some people do to get around is to just upload a picture of the Slicer/plate preview. That way the Model creator cannot delete the Profile anymore, even though it still has no image of the actual printed model.
Would the change you mentioned above be the solution then? Instead of being able to delete it myself i have to file a report?
i just came across this note on a print profile from someone on somebody else’s model. Interesting.
This checkbox has been enabled for a few days now.
When you add a profile you may choose to give all rewards to the designer instead.
I’d love to see a split option instead of all/nothing, then I think people may actually use it.
oh, i didn’t see that yet.!
There a 2 kind of cases:
- For some existing print profile, if the uploader did not marked it as “Tested” manually, the model creator may take it down.
- For a new print profile, its uploader is required to confirm that it has been tested via printing and has uploaded at least one real photo (come out with this print profile).
In all, creators may take down print profiles that has not been marked as “Tested” by the print profile uploader. If a print profile is marked as “Tested”, but its photo is not a real photo or is copied from other print profile, the creator may report it and our moderator will handle this case.
That’s what i mean. People are uploading plate images and marking it as “tested”. Thus the print profile still has no real print image and is immune to the model creators takedown.
In that case the model uploader would need to file a report?
Yes. Please report it. Currently, please choose the reason as “Other”.
Excellent, I already did it some time ago and I continue to report all the profiles without a real image of the print that I find loaded on my page. I’m probably giving you a little extra work, but for me fairness and honesty come first!
There is this guy called AneoPsy on Makerworld who keeps spamming other peoples profiles in an attempt to leach off som points I guess.
What he does is basically copying the original print profile but then he puts in the Ludicrous print settings in it to make it seem his profile is fast.
To top it off, he also puts a bold FAST tag in his profile title as extra clickbait.
I mean, that is probably not illegal, but anyone can download a regular print profile and put their printer in ludicrous mode manually. It is not a special feature.
I put a lot of time and effort in designing things for makerworld, and having a leach like this come in and trying to snatch away some points is not increasing my motivation to keep designing for makerworld.
I think in order to be fair to designers there should be a way to limit what people like AenoPsy are doing.
Please let me know your thoughts on this.
Already discussed. After all the reports and takedowns, stolen images etc all he got was a slap on the wrist as far as i can tell, nothing more.
Thanks, didn’t know that.
This demotivates me even more!
Does makerworld want to encourage designers? Or should we just adopt AneoPsy’s business model and spam Makerworld into oblivion…