Given that the license doesn’t make any distiction like that, it means that Bambu doesn’t care about compliance. What they care about is being able to sue or issue a DMCA request if they need to. And that also teaches the users to ignore the license terms or “interpret” them in the way they like, because Bambu says that it’s okay to ignore the license terms as long as you stay nice and not naughty.
“This is okay, I am not harming anyone by giving it to my friend”. Sounds legit, right? But how about “he’s not selling his models, I am not harming anyone”? What is the difference outside of how you feel about leeches profiting from your work? The moral argument is legit, but I am pretty sure most makers who use SDFL won’t like it. And that’s what you get if you are okay with violations, because you don’t get to decide which violations are okay.
Copywrite is different than patent law, and it really depends on the country that you live in. The copywrite for models is actually the .stl, .step, .m3f file itself, not on the actual printed model, unless you sell it. Personal use seems to be allowed, including giving the 3d printed model away. You are not allowed to sell it. Linky to US copywrite explanation for 3-d prints.
To print the model, you need to get it somewhere first, and that’s how license terms come to play. The printed model doesn’t come out of thin air, you use the stl file for which you initially have roughly zero rights because of the copyright. So for example you may download (i.e. copy) the stl file if you agree to X, Y, Z. If the author says you may only print and burn it, you are free to refuse the offer, or you must print and burn it.
Copywrite is the actual written file, instructions on how to print it, etc. not the product from the files. I can give away my prints, I cannot sell the files. Patent on the other other hand is the actual printed part.
So where did you get the file? Did the author/owner give it to you? Did they attach some conditions? If they say you may not download it unless you agree to X, Y, Z, then you have to do X, Y, Z if that’s what you agreed to. And X, Y, Z may even be “you are not allowed to print it” if that’s how the owner likes it. (There are fair use exeptions and whatnot, but I don’t think they allow anything as long as it’s not commercial).
Here is the thing, they can sue you for any profits made from (the print), but if you gave it away, there are no profits, so it is a waste of time and resources. I am still looking at the “can I print this for a friend/family member point of view” not can I print this and sell it.
I am talking about what the law (i.e. my idea of it) allows or prohibits, not what you can be sued for. That’s a totally different conversation, about damages (not profits of the person who broke the law, though they magically become lost profits of the copyright owner) and complicated rules, and judges, and I don’t care. I never thought I was going to be sued by someone for giving a printed model to a friend. But then, good luck suing someone in another country, does that make selling stuff okay? Okay to steal and sell as long as you live somewhere where they can’t reach you?
You can be sued for anything in the US, for anything, weather or not any laws were broken. different story.
Giving away a 3-d printed model is a whole different story than SELLING the model. It is not ok to sell the model if the copyright does not allow it, but you are ok to print it out and give it to someone else.
I don’t want to argue much which license violations are okay and which aren’t, that I decide for myself and don’t advertise it on the internet.
But since you seem to have drawn a nice line for yourself, how about I take someone’s model and post it on makerworld and say it’s mine? Not selling it. Might win a contest or two, get some reputation. Is that okay?
You are confusing copyright and license. The copyright is on the file. The conditions on how you get and use the file are the license. If the license doesn’t allow you to redistribure prints then you can’t. It doesn’t matter whether or not the copyright covers the print, the license determines how you use the file, and it can restrict the prints, copyright or not. The distinction between selling and giving away is entirely a licensing issue and is unrelated to copyright. The license terms can be arbitrary, they are unrelated to copyright. It’s just a legal agreement between you and the copyright holder. For example a license that says “you can only give away prints to people named Bob” is entirely valid, even though no provision for something like that exists in copyright law.
Nobody does, they either want the rewards and click the thing that gives them without caring or don’t want to have to read and choose something so they leave the default.
You are missing the last line of the standard digital file license. “The objects may not be used without permission in any way whatsoever in which you charge money, or collect fees.” Giving the PRINTED OBJECT away does not violate the license. On the other hand, what you are suggesting doing violates copywrite law and the licensing.
No, that is in direct violation of COPYWRITE law, as you are saying that the instructions (to the printer in this case) are yours when you just blatantly copied them. (FYI this is US copywrite law, it may be different in other countries)
I know it’s a violation, I thought you were saying that violations are okay as long you are not selling stuff, so I asked if this one was okay.
But, saying it’s mine in itself does not violate copyright, it’d be fraud or something like that, and there would need to be harm to the copyright owner or the consumers, because in general it’s totally legal to lie. I can go and claim publicly that I wrote all Steven King’s novels, it’s allowed. He may want to sue me if by my lunacy I cause him harm, but that’s it. I totally can lie as far as government is concerned. Bambu may have rules against it (or not, judging from this forum). It’s posting someone else’s model that violates the copyright, not saying whose it is. Even if I honestly say whose model it is, it’s not okay for me to post it if the license doesn’t allow it.
Anyway, you are missing the main point: you are not allowed to download the model if you don’t agree to the license terms. If the license terms say you are not allowed to give the printed thing away, then you are not allowed to do that. And SDFL says that. You are trying to twist it and add your reasoning to which violations are okay and which aren’t, and you demonstrated yourself how that simply doesn’t work. You either comply with the license terms or you don’t, it’s binary (sorta, because courts and humans). The consequences of the violation are a totally different story, and I don’t care to discuss those.
In my opinion, it is not okay to download the model and then do what it explicitly prohibits, because that’s the point of the license, to define what’s okay to do. (Whether I’ll do something that it prohibits is something I’m not going to discuss here, I may or may not have vilolated some laws in the past, allegedly).
This user content is licensed under a Standard Digital File License.
You shall not share, sub-license, sell, rent, host, transfer, or distribute in any way the digital or 3D printed versions of this object, nor any other derivative work of this object in its digital or physical format (including - but not limited to - remixes of this object, and hosting on other digital platforms). The objects may not be used without permission in any way whatsoever in which you charge money, or collect fees.
The last line gives you permission to print the object and give it away. You cannot do anything with the print file.
But I do agree that line needs to be changed, for a regular person, to make it clearer as to what you can do with the print.
But coming from a manufacturing perspective on this, distribute means customers with actual money to pay for the item, and selling it to a customer base. (bare bones example)
Giving the item (printed object), amounts to a “freebee” from the sales rep and is not distributing the item. I know splitting hairs, but that is kind of how it works in the real world.