I have seen on ebay UK some printers up for sale over the past few days. some are jumping ship allready
Everybody should always keep in mind that near nothing has to be one way or the other. I understand its an easy thing to be tricked into, but a company can be apple and samsung at the same time. They can have proprietary parts and software for new users but also allow esay 3rd party integration for advanced users…Kinda like how it already was, but with more 3rd party friendliness. You dont have to vacuum up every penny. Sometimes its smart to create a network of companies that work well with each other(if you like happy customers)… When I buy something, I look and see what sort of aftermarket support that thing has. I realize not everybody is the same. I also realize that people like me are a minorities, but we are the people that keep buying for years to come. Not try the printer for a month and then never touch it again. We also advertise the most by far and help you with your front line of support.
Bambu is #1, act like they can do better, and they will.
I say all this because alot of people seem to think it has to be this way in order for them personally to succeed in 3d printing.
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How did people not see this coming. I seen it when Bambu first came out with their proprietary nozzles and such. Now lots of companies do the same thing. Trying to copy Bambu. Hopefully this back fires though because if it doesnt, just like how companies copied Bambu they will follow the same rout.
People left the ender 3 series for Bambu because it “just works” but who knows in the future those old ender machines might become valuable if everyone follows them.
I’m in a similar position I’m an OAP just printing a few gizmos for the grandkids and our local Men’s Shed so I don’t think any of this will affect me - I picked up this info from post I read from “The Verge” that clarifies a few things
- Will Bambu publicly commit to never requiring a subscription in order to control its printers and print from them over a home network?
For our current product line, yes. We will never require a subscription to control or print from our printers over a home network. However, there might be specific business scenarios in the future that require exceptions, i.e a 3DP vending machine, but these would apply to entirely different applications and customer needs. If such a product line is introduced, we will clearly communicate this before its launch.
1b) If not, why not?
N/A.
1c) Will Bambu publicly commit to never putting any existing printer functionality behind a subscription?
Yes.
- Will Bambu publicly commit to never restricting the use of third-party filament in any way, shape, or form?
For our current product line, yes. We have no plans to restrict the use of third-party filament in any way.
The full interview can be found here:
Here’s what Bambu will — and won’t — promise after its controversial 3D printer update - The Verge
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Bambu said, Bambu will do. You should apply that philosophy in the other topics, opened on several occasions over several subjects.
Look, i am still waiting for that sweet and nice “open door detection” that is being developed since they released their X1C 
Or the multi account that was addressed by them as a “security risk” but it’s coming in their “Farm Manager” software. Leaving all the users that since January 2023 are asking for it. Not much of a security risk if it’s coming to their “new and shiny” software right? Right?!
You can search for that and much more. Things that they said and never came up to reality.
But this is me talking and stating what is real. I don’t work, nor i want, for Bambu.
Do take those statements with a pinch of salt (actually, make it a full spoon), and before rejoicing on those statements, do read article 7.4 of their still current TOS, then come back here and let us know what do you think.
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Coughno more bed slingerscough
I had to.
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Rather than ‘we will not’, ‘we have no plans to’ is a rather shady phrase to select. It provides absolutely no reassurance, quite the opposite.
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BL is creating a 3D printing social media platform integrated with Makerworld and the Handy app. Like other social platforms, it requires user registration and cloud services. However, this platform connects directly to their 3D printers, which could potentially be remote-controlled if the network is compromised—something that has happened before. Whether BL has discovered any new vulnerabilities or not, they’re unlikely to disclose them.
For me, 3D printers should operate like 2D printers: hit print, and it works locally. All my printers have been set to LAN-only mode since day one. This new announcement is concerning, especially since forcing LAN-only mode through Bambu Connect feels unnecessary. I wouldn’t buy printers with this update.
That said, many users enjoy BL’s social platform for downloading, printing, and sharing designs on Makerworld. They’re less concerned about the privacy implications, similar to using Facebook or owning a smartphone for that matter.
BL’s ecosystem has always been closed-source and cloud-reliant, but we chose it because of its ease of use and reliable results—a game changer for consumer FDM printers. Still, not everyone is in this community because the closed ecosystem. It’s a personal choice.
Bambu Lab, if you must require Bambu Connect in the future pritners, consider offering a barebones version without social media features—just a driver, slicer, and local printing capabilities. Many would prefer that option while many others will embrace the connected version.
Finally, I wonder the backlash has something to do with current geopolitical climate. Particularly in the US ( I don’t know about elsewhere), China is now seen as the new boogeyman. Ironically, we’ve used Chinese-made products for over three decades without issue, but concerns coincided with Chinese companies started producing high-quality, affordable products. Food for thought. I love how some people have become cyber security experts, software engineers and lawyer all the sudden lol.
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Alot of us knew that they werent open sourced, but we also saw 3rd party integration being a thing and figured it would stay like that. Cant say we knew better, when the change came after the purchase.
Not being open sourced doesnt equal forced security.
By that thinking, bambu could lock your printer into only using their filament, slicer etc and you wouldnt be angry because its within their rights and you knew it was a possibility. I have a feeling everybody would then be angry.
I love how some people have become politicians, salesman and psychology expert all of the sudden lol.
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Definitely the community backlash has nothing to do with whatever is going on (or is planned to go on) in the US in relation with China, and everything to do with the unsavory changes brought by Bambu with its new firmware. The user community is not limited to the US, but expands worldwide, so limiting our coverage only to the US would totally disregard all the other affected users elsewhere. And that would be neither fair nor reflecting the reality.
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This change is pointless security theatre. It’s baby’s first security protocol and a monumentally incorrect way to implement authorization and authentication. All it does is push people from one insecure door to a different flavored insecure door that has a “no fat chicks” sign on it.
Food for thought, you have no assurance that the gcode you ■■■■ out to bambu cloud is unmodified by them before your printer redownloads it. What if bambu (and their laughable cybersec knowledge) gets hacked and they intecept gcode uploads and set everyones hot ends to 300C as a laugh?
These guys know kinematics. They know flow controls. They know manufacturing. They are proving to be not so great in software, don’t misplace your trust in that pillar, and don’t “white knight” some business entity doing stupid things.
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It’s certainly not the reflection of the community, but to be fair, there has been the odd specific post that is very much reflective of this. Which IMO is not fair, not reflective of the real world. Maybe in a year or so once the 'merica first policies have had time to kick in, but until then, everything comes from China… 
I understand that some people are upset by the changes - they seem to be fairly advanced users who have specific reasons for using different software or networks and that’s fine - the Verge “interview” seems (to me at least) to confirm they will not do some of the wilder actions some people are say such as banning 3rd party Filament - until the statements are proven untrue I have to take them at face value as they these update will not adversely affect the current range - new machines is another ball of wax - but you all have the power to sell your machines and buy another brand which some have indicated they will do - I’m not card carrying supporter of BL but I love my X1-c it just works and as 79yr old hobbyist I don’t have time to “Tinker” I just want to print - I hope you all get the resolution you want - power to the people (as we used to say in the 60’s & 70’s)
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The computer peripheral paradigm is based on choice—the ability to plug in a device at will. Even smartphones, though not peripherals, adhere to this concept by allowing connectivity.
Bambu, like Apple when it forced touchscreens onto users, seems to believe it knows best. The optics suggest arrogance, especially when it attacks customers in blog posts, dismissing concerns as “fear mongering” and “lies.”
There it is again… the truth. 
Attacking users for just wanted their property to remain unmolested does not make for a sound argument to justify Bambu’s arrogance. How many times and threads must this be restated before the Fanboys will understand?
Facts:
- No industry expert has publicly endorsed or supported Bambu’s unilateral changes.
- These changes have not improved security. In fact, industry experts have pointed out serious flaws, exposing Bambu’s lack of security competence—which Dr. Tao has freely admitted they lack.
- Bambu claims users are spreading misinformation, yet their Terms of Service contradict their own blog posts and wiki pages. This has led to accusations of gaslighting, as Bambu suggests users are misinterpreting the situation.
- The user community did not request these changes.
- Instead of addressing ongoing software bugs, Bambu diverted resources to an unrequested and unwanted change.
- Every defense of these changes in discussion groups or online has come from attacking concerned users, rather than addressing the changes on their merits.
- Despite Bambu’s protests of being misunderstood, none of these changes have been tied to a credible user benefit, they all benefit Bambu and not the customer as has been illustrated in so many online posts.
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Possible alternative motive
Click here -- Is this part of Bambu's reasoning?
It has been suggested by a few industry experts that the abnormal requests on Bambu’s Cloud services are quickly overwhelming their servers and creating a burdensome cost. I put the following chart from Bambu’s wiki through ChatGPT and asked it to estimate the costs of such incursions assuming that Bambu Labs might be using a Cloud service similar to Amazon’s AWS.
Here’s the table that ChatGPT came up with using AWS fees as a template. I checked the math and it looks real. Anyone can cross check if they want. Using Bambu’s own data, an estimate of $13K for their examples doesn’t seem like a whole lot given their userbase, but it is a profit leak nonetheless. And who knows what the total amount is. The thing is, this can be mitigated in so many other ways that Bambu refuses to acknowledge.
Here is the publicly facing pricing scheme: Exploring Data Transfer Costs for Classic and Application Load Balancers | Networking & Content Delivery
| Date | Abnormal Requests | Estimated Data Transfer (GB) | Estimated Cost ($) |
|---|---|---|---|
| January 8, 2025 | 10,000,000 | 953.67 | 1,907.34 |
| December 28, 2024 | 110,000 | 10.49 | 20.98 |
| November 16, 2024 | 1,000,000 | 95.37 | 190.74 |
| October 23, 2024 | 286,000 | 27.28 | 54.56 |
| October 22, 2024 | 1,800,000 | 171.67 | 343.34 |
| October 21, 2024 | 13,000,000 | 1,238.37 | 2,476.74 |
| August 3, 2024 | 90,000 | 8.57 | 17.14 |
| June 1, 2024 | 760,000 | 72.43 | 144.86 |
| September 22, 2023 | 43,200,000 | 4,114.50 | 8,229.00 |
| Total | 70,246,000 | 6,692.35 | 13,384.70 |
Here’s the data that was extracted from Bambu’s own wiki. Anyone care to argue the facts? Let’s start with actual data
The link to Bambu’s wiki.
Summary of Security Incident Responses and Abnormal Cloud Traffic | Bambu Lab Wiki
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Thanks for giving me the drive to consider the new Prusa CORE 
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Sorry… but have to bring this… It actually has improved security as a lot of people now go offline with their printer (including me)… mission accomplished. 
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Well, that’s, I dare say, the positive part of the community’s outcry and backlash: making regular users aware of the risks and consequences of the firmware update… and, hopefully, Bambu became aware as well, taking Tao’s statement on Bambu’s lack of internal software/coding competences in the field, at face value.
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While it actually might increase the current security profile - this also means that you will not be receiving future security updates so if there is a serious vulnerability out there you have to be confident that you’ve set up your local network and isolation so well that you should not be concerned.
I’m fairly confident in my skills of isolating pieces of my network, yet still, I’d be concerned of running things on my network that will not receive future security updates. YMMV.
Well, don’t know if this is related but here I am half way through a 5 hour print and suddenly Studio announces my login has timed out, I am no longer connected to the printer, and I need to login. Ok, fine. I go to log in and it says I have to use some security code which will be sent via email and it is only good for a limited time. So I start checking my email and it shows up after the code was supposedly expired. I used it anyway and was able to login and reconnect to my printer. Never encountered this before.
What a bunch of hooey. Problem now is as soon as I reconnected to my printer it starts colliding with the infill. Hum. Strange as it was fine for the past two and a half hours.
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