Why does everyone talk so positively about these mediocre printers?

The TL:DR of this. Josh had a hour to kill before the breakfast place opened, so went on another wild tangent.

See, here’s part of the problem. You assume the product is bad and just everyone is having these problems. I haven’t had to re-engineer anything at all. I have had no issues with feed problems like you’re commenting on. I have an A1 Mini, with the AMS. I run spools through the AMS and on their own. I’ve emptied spools on that thing. I have 1k+ hours on several of the older prints I have. For as much as I use my 4 printers, I’m in the shadow of some that have more and use them more and they aren’t here talking about constant problems. I’ve seen videos of people with their whole production farm full of Bambus, and well, they keep buying them, so something me be working. You can’t just run a whole print farm on faulty printers that wont feed. And if these products are as faulty as you say they are, there’s going to be a breaking point where people realize and the whole thing collapses. That hasn’t happened though. There’s pockets of noise of people wildly complaining, but for the most part people are happily and happily buzzing along. I mean, shoot, I get comments and pictures every day of people printing my models, and they look great. So there’s tons of people successfully printing things every day.

If you’re having similar issues across both printers there’s something going on there that isn’t right, and it’s not just the printer is junk. If the printer was junk in the ways you insinuate, than people wouldn’t be buying it. You are way over conflating the problems and jumping to conclusions. You haven’t gone into depth about any of the issues you’re having, and there could be a number of reasons causing those issues, and they very much could be your fault too. You may not be banging on the thing with a wrench breaking it, but maybe you’re so use to having to do things a certain way on your older printer, that you just think it’s the same on the Bambu, but in reality it’s now causing issues. That kind of thing is not uncommon, especially amongst older school users that are use to tweaking the every loving pie out of everything.

By the way. Last night, I completed another series of prints on my Bambu printers. I’ve got some prototypes going for my current design, and I’ve been working on printing desiccant boxes for these plastic cereal box containers. Going that whole route, and lovin’ it so far. I’m printing those in transparent PETG. Point is, look, no problems at all. Different material types, 3 different types of Bambu printers. These problems you’re having aren’t normal, and it’s not just bad engineering or the printer is junk.

Furthermore, you use a lot of insulting language, especially when talking about Bambu and their engineers. It’s not becoming of one’s character. It does not make me respect you at all when you just sit there and trash on their engineers because you’re having some problem you don’t understand. You didn’t even come in here asking for help, you just launched into these bad vibes. That was your introduction, your first post. when you got the reaction you did, it was only then that you stepped back a little.

I’ve been in development environments most of my adult life now, and I know how difficult it can be, so to sit there and read that from you, your attitude. It just does not foster any sort of productive or friendly environment or relationship between us and Bambu. They may be a corporation, but that doesn’t mean we have to treat this relationship with distrust and distain, that doesn’t mean we have to treat them with such negative attitudes.

You didn’t come in here asking for help. You came in here with a bad attitude, talking trash. Also, we’re not going to solve problems by attacking Bambu or their employees. We’re not going to foster good relations that helps us work together to solve problems by attacking their employees, by disparaging them and their work. Just because Bambu is a corporation doesn’t mean they’re the enemy. Just being they’re a corporation doesn’t mean they aren’t made up of people working hard. Also, don’t give me your arm-chair engineering perspective on their job performance. You think you’re so much better, understand engineering so much more, you think everything is so simple, then go create a global corporation that disrupts the entire printer market. Go work for any of Bambu’s competitors and help them bring products to market that actually competes? Because for all of Bambu’s apparent “failures” I’m still failing to see other companies bring something to the plate that stands up to what Bambu is bringing to the market.

And we’re back into under handed insults of the engineers behind the product. You’re not here going “I have a problem, can you help me fix this?” You’re going “I have a problem and it’s bambu’s engineers, they can’t do anything right!”

I don’t see anything that’s botched. My printers run amazingly, and I see a lot of other people here too that have had an amazing time. I’ve seen a number of people that had issues that ultimately boiled down to user error, and a hand full of people that unfortunately got a lemon of some sort. Some of those people complain wildly like you do, and some people accept the reality that sometimes in life you get a lemon, and that sucks, but being a sour lemon yourself out of it isn’t going to make the situation better.

I mean, you want a real world example? I bought myself a fancy laptop once. Certainly cost more than an X1C. Loved that thing, until it started having issues. Covid hit around that time too, and it made it difficult to go to the manufacture to get it fixed. I ended up eating the cost of it, uggh. What a pain. The laptop was well reviewed and loved by many though. The issue I had wasn’t because of poor engineering, or bad design, it was just the lack of the draw.

That’s one of the bigger purchases that happened to me, where I got a dud like that, and because of everything going on in the world, I wasn’t even able to get it replaced and essentially lost my money. I had some sour feelings, for sure, but I can’t ignore the fact that millions of those things were sold, and my issue was very limited. I may have found others that had the same issue, and long forum threads talking about it, but ultimately it was a very small fraction of users. It’s easy to feel like everyone is complaining when you don’t consider how many units the company actually puts out there, and how many people aren’t having problems.

Again, been having a brilliant time with the printers. I haven’t found things to be illogical at all. I enjoy the whole system they’ve built and how it all works together. And again, you’re attacking the engineers, putting them down, and there’s no solid reasoning or anything other than you have problems so it must be the engineers fault. When I read stuff like this, it does not make me have good vibes towards you. It does not make me want to be friendly and take you serious.

The whole history of 3d printing up until Bambu started releasing printers. I mean, I guess you’re having some issues still, so haven’t escaped that, but I’m seriously telling you, that if you’re having to “re-engineer” something, then there’s other issues going on. I have not had to “re-engineer” anything on any of my Bambu printers. I don’t print little performance addons, I don’t modify my AMS, I haven’t had the need to do any of that because everything is just working. It works.

Maybe you got two lemons in a row, maybe the filament you’re using just doesn’t like Bambu, maybe it’s maybelline. I have no clue, because what information you have given is pretty sparse. You mostly just default to talking trash about Bambu’s engineers and pushing the blame on them.

I’ll bury the hatchet when you stop insulting Bambu’s engineers and show a little more respect. And I don’t mean bowing down to Bambu, I mean showing a little more respect to the other users around here that you call “shrills” but are actual users who love their printers, who are nice and helpful people if you come and ask them nicely as opposed to jumping in talking trash. There’s a lot of people here that love their printer and want you to have as great of a time too, but they aren’t gonna stand by your side and help you through it if you come in with that attitude calling people shrills, talking the trash you’ve been putting out there.

This is mildly annoying and can be confusing for new users. I had the same thing. We’ve had people pop up in random threads too, going like I need help but can’t post a topic! And tons of people jump in and help that person, talk to them, help them with their problem and also help guide them through those little signing up road blocks.

I couldn’t even sign up for the forum on my home computer because of how my computer is tied into my job’s network. I ended up using my phone to sign up, although I can sign in just fine. Still, annoying, a little bit of a pain, but nothing I can’t brush off and have mostly forgot about. In the greater scheme of the world, it is nothing to get bothered by.

You’re looking for reasons to stay made, to be frustrated, to keep that bad attitude going. Not everything in life is peaches and cream, and it’s clear that you’re dealing with it by diving into the frustrations, rather than trying to step back from them. You’re feeding your own bad time.

And we’re back to insulting Bambu. You know what it is like as a developer dealing with someone that just sits there and insults you and talks trash about you? You think that makes people like you? You think that makes anyone want to work with you? You think their employees come on here and read the things you say and think, oh no, I really screwed up! It doesn’t matter how right you think you are, when you come at someone like that, they’re not gonna listen to you, they’re not gonna respect your opinion.

Or maybe these systems come about because people like to go into communities and be jerks and troll them, or just dump spam, so people develop systems that help protect the online communities they run and maintain. You’re just looking for reasons to be mad and complain. Stuff like this isn’t that uncommon, especially now days as spam, trolling, and harassment are the norm.

What repels customers more is people making baseless claims. I’ve seen a lot of people that obviously have a chip on their shoulder against Bambu, talking trash and dissuading people away from Bambu printers for only the fact that they had some sort of grudge. It’s borderline how you’re acting here.

I recall on Reddit, there was a guy that kept creating accounts and going into threads on the Bambu sub reddit, talking trash, and pretty much trying to talk everyone out of buying anything Bambu. The dude constantly called me a shrill. He didn’t actually provide any real or justifiable reason for any of that though. Just the fact that he kept creating new accounts to come and harass people… Yeah, so there you go.

Turn off the time lapse? I see a selection for it when trying to print from the SD card, where you can toggle it on/off. I have 0 videos on the SD card for my A1 Mini, and I never run the time-lapse on it. Via Bambu studio or using the SD card and printing directly.

I believe it’s a checkbox when you go to send a print to the printer via Bambu Studio, and on the printer itself, it’s just a toggle button when you start the print.

That sounds like an issue with your computer. Maybe it’s a faulty SD card? I personally haven’t had any issues as it relates to deleting files off the SD card and functions as it does with any other SD card I use. I do a lot of photography, so, I do use the card reader a lot. I don’t much like MicroSD cards though, to be honest. I don’t think they’re as robust.

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In all seriousness though, and not being a jerk or a troll. I can see if there’s issues with a single printer. Lemons happen and it sucks. If you’re having those same issues with another model though, it does to me seem like there’s maybe another cause of the issues, potentially with your workflow. Without knowing more though, it’s hard to say for sure. There’s a number of things that could cause issues! From the filament choice, to the settings you’re using in the slicer. I’m not implying that you don’t know what you’re doing, or anything like that. Just that maybe something you’re doing that worked on your previous setups isn’t working on the Bambu, but because you’re in that mindset of this is how it’s suppose to work, you think it’s the printer’s fault, and don’t see the root cause.

The Bambu printers are very reliable when you’re using their filament and stuff. To a certain extent. Like PLA with a .4 nozzle using Bambu’s filament in particular, it is a well tuned machine. ABS is amazing on the X1/P1 series! PETG seems to give people troubles though, and I’m not convinced that Bambu’s stock PETG settings are the best. In fact, I think their non .4 nozzle profiles in general aren’t well tuned. They focused a little too much on PLA and the .4 nozzle, and everything else was the unwanted step child.

Luckily for me, before I got into PETG on the Bambu, I had seen other people’s experiences and discussions, and was able to go into it with the information I needed. I’ve pretty much boiled it down to pulling back the volumetric flow rate.

So, it’s just. There’s a number of things that could be contributing to the issue. And maybe Bambu could engineer part of the machine better to work with that issue better, but part of that is exploring and finding what the issue is, rather than just saying “I’ve got a problem! This thing is junk!”

I bet you can make forum topics now. We’ve been talking enough here. You want to get to the bottom of the problems, then we can try and do that. The best people to help aren’t reading threads like this though, and if you go and start that thread looking for help, just be nice, don’t just say things are junk or talk down about things because you’re having a problem. There may be an issue, but we can’t assume what or where the issue is coming from. If it’s something in your process you can adjust, than great, if it’s a mis-understanding about some function of the printer, than well that’s not too bad, and if it’s a fault with the design of the printer, or just an issue with that particular print, than we’ll help figure out a solution or help you press against Bambu to get things sorted. And if there’s a fault in the design we discover, we’re not gonna go to Bambu and yell “Do better!” We’re gonna share our findings with them and say this is what we found.

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As I mentioned above, I think I solved the failure to reliably feed filament on one of my Bambu printers (the A1 Mini) by changing the filament path from the factory spool holder through the tubing — and its friction — to one straight down from above with just enough tubing to feed it into the extruder. I won’t call that a victory until I have several more weeks of reliable printing, but so far it’s working perfectly as opposed to a surprising percentage of prints failing because of failure to feed filament, necessitating manual intervention, often numerous times per print.

BTW, I began with Bambu filament. Their PLA Basic is wonderful when it prints, but I’ve had better success with Overture PLA Plus. I wouldn’t use Bambu PETG again; I found it to be dangerously brittle, as others noted in other forums, including one of the top 3-D printing gurus on YouTube.

I’m now in a streak with everything working fine on both printers, but I had a similar run of good luck with my A1 before after it began acting up once again, botching numerous prints for days in a row, followed by everything inexplicably clearing up. I don’t yet have enough data to reach any firm conclusions, but so far I would now guess that problems are more likely when I switch to printing with a different filament in my AMS lite; I am much more likely to get reliable printing if print after print is from the same spool.

Well, I’d like to turn a corner and help more and talk further, but I saw the other post you made on the forums calling people shills again, and it didn’t sit well with me. Good luck with your printers.

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If you take me out of the equation, there are still countless Bambu users complaining about many problems. Consistent with what Thomas Edison said (“Show me a thoroughly satisfied man and I will show you a failure.”), those who are the least happy with the way things are the most likely to be incentivized enough to seek improvements. Complaining is one of the most basic and productive aspects of humanity; bouncing ideas off others — at least in healthy groups — leads to dialogue and solutions. In contrast, those imbued with “system justification” make excuses and defend the status quo, impeding progress.

You seem to miss some of the upsides to complaining. If I were the Bambu CEO, I wouldn’t like countless users complaining about my poor customer service, so I would be incentivized to do something about it. There are many unemployed people in China (or elsewhere, obviously) who could be hired and quickly trained to serve as customer service reps, initially handling a limited subset of problems until their proficiency was more generalized.

This is a very fixable problem, but month after month Bambu resists it, compelling users seeking solutions to get them here — or TRY to — or via another forum, but after months of checking out every one I could find, I see vastly more problems than good solutions. So that’s a problem. That’s not my problem to solve; that’s the job of the Bambu CEO. If you read other postings on this forum alone, you will see others quite unhappy with his performance.

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Everyone complains about their customer service. They have grown exponentially in a short time. How easy do you think it is to train competent customer service reps? You, who claim to be great with all other printers but bambu, can’t even operate it right. Now try to teach someone who knows nothing about printers how to troubleshoot them. Then, have them try to help someone via email. This is not an industry that works well with tech support. Either you can figure it out or you can’t. Thinking that you complaining on their forums is going to do anything is plain retarded, all you will do is as you have done, alienate yourself.

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Let’s go through this again.

That’s like your opinion dude. Others do not find the printer and services to be half baked. The first slight at Bambu’s engineers though.

Again, your opinion which is not shared by the majority of Bambu users, and another back handed comment about Bambu’s engineers.

Then you attack the people that like the printers because they don’t complain about it like you do, or don’t have the issues you have, so I guess that automatically makes them shills.

Again, you perceive the issue to be much bigger than it actually is, then go on to make more back handed comments about the engineers.

That’s just your first person.

You gave no real information. You just came in attacking people and throwing accusations around. Maybe that’s a dramatic way to put it, but that’s what it boils down to. You didn’t come in here with a smile on your face, you came in here with a bone to pick. Regardless, you gave enough information to at least wonder if the issue is with your process itself, and not the printers. You’re so full of yourself though to take a moment to step back and think, maybe it is something I’m doing. You’re having similar issues across two different models of printers, and they are issues that are not that common. There may be people that have those issues, but there are A LOT of people that don’t. It is not some wide spread issue, and just because it is happening to you, doesn’t mean everyone else’s experience is the same. You want people to respect you, then show some respect to others. You’re not showing respect to others by dismissing people that haven’t had those issues as just shills. Some people can be jerks, but others will help. The response you’re getting isn’t because people are shills, or people don’t want to help, it’s because of the attitude you brought in here.

How come my bambu printers haven’t experienced any of the issues my previous printers have?! Stop acting like your experience is the only one that exist. Maybe you need to step back a little and look at the bigger picture, because if there’s people not having these problems, there’s something going on that isn’t just the printer.

Well, you’ve summed up all your own comments as they relate to talking about the Bambu engineers.

Maybe come in asking for help to solve the problems before unilaterally talking smack about Bambu’s engineers and calling it’s users shills.

Again, insulting the engineers.

And more insulting their engineers. Again though, this is like your opinion, dude. I haven’t found the system to have these utterly illogical issues like you seem to be harping on.

Well, considering they’re using discourse, they didn’t actually program the forum portion or it’s safety measures. You again insult Bambu’s employees, but for a system that wasn’t even built by them, and is used by many people. They’re using safety measures on the forum that were built into it, so.

Again, you’re making back handed comments about Bambu’s engineers, yet this seems like it was a simple missing of a button on your part? There’s a checkmark in Bambu Studio not to do a time lapse, just as pritning from the SD card gives a button to not do a time lapse. It seems simple to me

We can’t give solutions when you are complaining without giving any real details. We can’t give solutions when you’re just making back handed comments about Bambu and it’s engineers. We can’t give solutions when you’re calling us shills in your first breathe in our space? What solutions do you want? You didn’t ask for solutions, you just came in complaining.

How about you apologize to all of the engineers of the world? Because you obviously have no clue what goes into engineering a product, and all your back handed comments here clearly show that.

There are countless people complaining about anything and everything. It doesn’t matter the company, if it’s reddit, facebook, their own forums, there’s someone talking about their bad experience and how they’ll never purchase another product from that company because XYZ. It’s often said in a vacuum as most people that don’t have problems aren’t on forums complaining about it. They’re just using the machine, the item, whatever it is. It’s easy to loose yourself in this idea that problems are so wide spread, but the reality isn’t always born out like that. Yes, people have problems, and not everything is perfect, but get a grip. The evidence isn’t there that problems are so widespread that it’s going to tank the company. If you step back from those echo-chambers, you’d see that a lot of people are enjoying their printers without issue.

You’re talking about like a dozen people on a forum talking about an issue vs hundreds of thousands of units sold. People print my designs all day every day, and so obviously they’re successfully using these printers, and the numbers I get on prints far exceeds the number of post I see complaining about issues. Funny enough, the most positive things I see come from people that are new to 3d printing, with the Bambu being their first printer. They aren’t battle scared by printers passed, so they aren’t stuck on all these ways they think things should be done.

Complaining is not bouncing ideas of each other. Going in calling people shills and insulting the engineers, that is not a healthy group. Don’t sit there and try to normalize that behavior.

Considering how much you’ve gone on to talk trash about Bambu’s engineers, and calling those that don’t have problems just shills, at which point is it that you think Bambu’s CEO should care about what you have to say? Just because you’re angry, doesn’t mean you’re right. Just because you want to complain, doesn’t mean anyone needs to take you serious.

I also see a lot of people happily using their printers without issue too. You have a problem with Bambu, so you are desperately trying to conflate it into a bigger issue, and make it everyone’s problem.

Let’s bring this all back around though. Again, after coming on here calling us shills and dumping back handed comments on Bambu’s engineers, yet you think we should take you serious? You think the CEO should be here hanging on your every word? You discredited yourself long ago with the way you acted, with how insulting you were. Having been through a lot of production in my life, I find your attitude towards the engineers particularly insulting. You don’t like it, you don’t think they’re doing a good job, then go, go start your own company, go design your own printer. Get off your high horse and go do something rather than just sitting around arm-chairing it while you’re putting other’s work down.

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This post began with TerboSpaghetti asking “Why does everyone talk so positively about these mediocre printers?” I responded with my opinion. The fanboys/shills/trolls — or demigods, as they likely call themselves self-righteously — went way overboard (sometimes into the unhinged territory, ranting on and on), doing their best to delegitimize my opinions and sometimes even suggesting I should show respect to a company that clearly doesn’t respect its users or their time. There is a scientific term for this phenomenon — it’s called “system justification,” and those affected by it manifest certain behavioral traits, some on exhibit here.

It’s common knowledge that the 3-D printing industry is tarnished by shills who give glowing reviews on YouTube after receiving free printers, filament, and other goodies. Most users — certainly not the shills — are fed up with this false press. I’m merely one of many.

I give strong praise when it is due (as I mentioned before here and elsewhere, some aspects of Bambu printers are pure genius), but I am understandably perplexed when such brilliant people do so many stupid things. One of them is not adequately prioritizing the importance of good customer support. Anyone who thinks that Bambu has good support is living in a dream world populated by fanboys who intentionally pull the wool over their eyes.

Judging by what Bambu does impressively, I don’t think their failures result from a lack of ability but a lack of respect for users. Consequently, too much of what they do is needlessly half-ass. For example, the assembly instructions for the A1 omitted some crucial information, including an important topic relevant to their recall.

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The original question, by turbospaghetti was answered in the first reply by joe joe. I’m not sure what else needed saying. I’m guessing, by now you have posted enough and can start a new topic. This one was murdered a few months ago.

You are a bit harsh in my option. You really need instruction to remove the printer from the box?

And the unnecessary travel are a new nozzle "something"detection I think. The printer check if the not air printing and if the nozzle is not starting to create a filament blob.

I don’t know what’s your issue to start a print.

But if people like this printer so much I guess it’s because it’s cheap, easy to use, filled with sensors, auto calibrations, auto test and is multi colour ready.

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It worked great for me right out of the box and has never even had a failed print that I can remember. I don’t think it puts out as nice of prints as my Prusa but it was cheaper. I’ve had printers that had all kind of problems (most do!) so that is probably why people rave about the BL printers.

Which Prusa? The Mark IV?

just get better. mine was completely fine, instructions were on the build plate in the middle of the box, packed securely, and shipped in pristine condition. it is fast, I wouldn’t say the most reliable, but better than my makerbot, and it does what you need it to.

“failure to reliably feed filament from the spool”

I see in multiple posts from the same user that I really just skipped further posts because there is no description of the problem, just crying and moaning. I have A1 and I don’t see this problem, nor that I can imagine how it can go wrong from this short description. What exactly is the problem? Post video, filament type, filament state (humidity), AMS or not, your whole setup.

Who are those many that have this same problem, because it’s the first time I heard of this issue.

Well I will say that IF your extending the Bowden Tubes from the AMS Lite you can run into an issue with inconstant tube diameter. I purchase the largest amount of tubing available from the store here. it’s was rolled very tight so it did not relax to a straight tubes. With all the bends it was causing the AMS Lite to thinks it had a tangles. Friction is the biggest problem. I’ve seen some of these users feeding from a dry box really far away from the AMS lite and I bet this is some of their issues.

But going back to all the derogatory remarks about the A1, I just don’t see it. I’m no fan boy, but in this hyper media driven world people think their poor experience is something that everyone is having, and when you don’t agree with them, then your the issue. I think one of the biggest issues is these users see these things working on YouTube and they look like a plug n play printer, They are not. You need to learn your machine and the proper skills to make them work. What most don’t realize is that those guys on YouTube have been doing this for a long time. They know how to deal with finicky printers. Even with that said with that said Joel “3D Printing Nerd” had a very bad experience with the Elegoo Giga during his build live stream. He did not try and cover up the issues.
I will say from my experience the A1 is an absolute game changer, Have I had issues some, but I fixed my bed issue on my own, Firmware upgrades have fixed almost all the issues I’ve seen. Since doing my bed repair I have gone through 10 rolls of filament, some Matte some Silk and some generics. I have prints that successfully combined silk and matte within the same part. I’ve also been printing large parts for commissioned pieces and have been absolutely blown away by the performance of the A1 and the print quality.
Here are a few of my prints off the A1


big horn sheep

The box off the Arc Reactor is a power unit for the reactor it has a battery backup built in it. The meters are fully functional. The big Horn Sheep is amazing the Skull portion looks like a resin print. Deadpool was a fun dry brush experiment. So for my money the A1 has been worth every last cent. In fact I’m going to use my 120.00 credit to buy a second one. My client took some of my stuff over to a place to get it mounted and the that guy has now placed an order for 90 custom pieces. So mediocre I don’t think so,
Seeya
M1

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Now I’m curious. How did you extend the tubes? I guess you added some custom mod along the way, with ptfe connectors, or was just longer tubes? By the way, there are multiple types of bowden tubes. Bambu uses the one with 2.5mm inner and 4mm outer. Other types, like most types, capricorn or whatever, will definitely give you problems, since it’s usually 2mm inner, and you will have your filament stuck. Others have tried this on their AMS and failed. I guess it can be done, if done properly. For the majority that don’t do any mods, I guess it’s a non issue.

I agree that even Bambu printers are far from plug and play, like some like it to present it. Sure, the hardware is nice and you don’t have to tweak it all day long to have your printer start working. I prefer to spend my time in fixing my prints and tweaking them, instead of fixing my printer. Besides, there are periodic maintenance stuff you have to do with every printer. I guess that wasn’t presented well to people, and that’s a tedious task. I see people on other social media complaining that their printer worked nice for a few days or week and they started having x, y or z problems. It’s clearly marketed to the wrong people because the answers are so basic, like cleaning the plate and stop leaving your fingerprints on it, or dry your filament.

My printer didn’t arrive perfectly. I guess due to transport and those guys dropping stuff, my A1 bed was not physically leveled well. Another issue was one of the screws in the Z tensioner, after disassembling it. Most likely due to transport as well. Wasn’t a big problem but it did bother me. The first problem I’ve solved myself. The second one, solved by Bambu support, by sending me another one. Otherwise my printer is doing work almost every day with no issue. But if I was a new user, I would not be able to get this far, doing diagnostics by myself.

Like I said, the hardware they provide is better than others provide, so I can do my filament tests, print tests, finding the best supports, the best print settings and so on. Some new users will find this annoying. Probably like fiddling around with the hardware to make it work, and that’s just tiring for me. Anyway, the point is, some people have a small issue and they think all the other printers from the same manufacturer are bad. Even worse if this is their first printer, since they don’t have the experience of other previous printers.

If they want something perfect, buy a professional one, like the industrial ones. Even Prusa consumers printers are not without these issues that people run into every day. Except those are much slower so they might print nicer petg, which everyone runs into with Bambu.

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Well I guess I didn’t make myself clear I didn’t extend the tubing because the stuff I purchased was rolled to tight and it would not allow the AMS Lite to push it through correctly. I’m going to be looking for a better source. But in the mean time I think I’ve actually found a better solution. I’ve noticed that the bowden tubes need to have very gentle bends in them, to tight and the filament drags and causes issues. While mounting the AMS to the top of the unit solves this issue, I just didn’t like how you had to load the unit that way. So I found a VESA mounting plate and printed an adapter to mount the AMS to a dual monitor arm unit. This is a very heavy duty unit made by ErgoTech. The arm will support over 25 lbs of monitor. So I weighed the AMS and added that to 1 lbs x 4 figuring in an extra fudge factor and it came out to 18 lbs. This now allows me to swing the AMS LITE out to load reels and the arm gets the AMS off the desk surface. I can actually within reason place it anywhere and with it raised the tubing bends are very mild. Also by bringing it slightly forward it prevents that X cable from getting hung up over the gantry.
Having the second arm allows me to put a PC monitor that’s hooked up as a second screen off my PC. Now I can monitor prints, slice and everything off that second screen.
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I’m thinking in future when I add a second A1 that screen will be able to be used for both printers, I do wish Bambu Labs offered a AMS LITE extension cable so I could dress the cabling up the monitor arm. I do know there are second party companies that offer them, but they seem overly expensive. If I had the pin outs I’d make my own.
I’m sorry that your printer did not arrive in great shape. I’ve had similar issues where some equipment I ordered actually arrived with tire marks on the box. The unit inside did not fair well. However I blamed the transport company for that not the vendor same as you did.

You said “I agree that even Bambu printers are far from plug and play, like some like it to present it. Sure, the hardware is nice and you don’t have to tweak it all day long to have your printer start working. I prefer to spend my time in fixing my prints and tweaking them, instead of fixing my printer. Besides, there are periodic maintenance stuff you have to do with every printer. I guess that wasn’t presented well to people, and that’s a tedious task. I see people on other social media complaining that their printer worked nice for a few days or week and they started having x, y or z problems. It’s clearly marketed to the wrong people because the answers are so basic, like cleaning the plate and stop leaving your fingerprints on it, or dry your filament.”

Agreed, And there lays the rub. So many hobbies now days offer RTR out of the box items. But that doesn’t mean that you still don’t have to learn the proper operation of those items, if you don’t your going to have issues. If it’s a plane you need to learn to fly it, Car to drive it, As a former RC slope glider pilot I can tell you that as a fact. I can’t tell you how many crashes and repairs I had to do even with a experienced pilot telling me and helping me to learn the in’s and out’s of slope gliding. That’s always going to be the same with any hobby or tool.

YouTube has made this an issue as well with very experienced users making the operation of said unit “look” easy. I’ve even read comments here about “I don’t have time to learn how to run this thing”. A 3D printer is not a toy, it’s a tool. Anyone can buy a hammer, but not everyone knows how to use it properly.

Great conversation
Seeya
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Hardware too. In order to reduce cost BL use inferior quality components. I.e pulleys , thermal grease, lube etc.

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If this thread proves anything, it’s that it’s literally impossible to please everybody.

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On the bright side of that, us that know how to modify have a chance to upgrade our units with better parts which intern benefits the community!
Seeya
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