AMS 2 Pro Acceptable Humidity Level

I’m using Wise Dry 10g and 20g desiccant bags in my AMS2 Pro to help manage the humidity.

I know you should recharge the bags when the indicating beads turn from orange to green.

I’m curious as to the acceptable RH level inside the AMS2 Pro. I know you want to keep the RH as low as possible, but at what level does the RH become high enough to start degrading your print quality?

My AMS2 Pro is located in a controlled environment room and the RH is always between 45% & 55%. The RH inside the AMS2 Pro is 31%.

‘Acceptable’ is “prints are still good” when it comes to most people 3D printing their stuff.
If you are not noticing it at 31%, which I certainly do not at 35%, then no problem.

That said, it’s possible to keep the humidity down around 10-15% if you want to babysit the desiccant on a very frequent basis. My AMS is presently at 13% and 44C. Assuming no additional moisture is added and my poor napkin math is right, as it cools down this should equate to 45% RH at 22C. I assume because it’s pulled more moisture out of the rolls and it’s just still in the AMS.

Indicates to me that this desiccant is at or near saturation and isn’t doing squat, which is what I want right now for testing purposes.

Depends on the material. PLA is very forgiving and “storage” at 31% is probably ok, but it could be better. Run the dryer function while empty [with just dessicant inside] to give it a mild recharge.

Take the filament all out of your AMS2 and put it in dry mode with the silica gel still in there and let it get to temperature. Note the AMS2 humidity measurement.

Take the silica gel out and let the RH restabilize and quit changing and read the humidity again with the AMS totally empty of desiccant and filament. This number is important. Air is the easiest thing for the AMS2 to dry.

The empty humidity is as good as it gets for the AMS2. I don’t know what RH you should expect, though. I don’t have an AMS2. But with the AMS empty the only water it needs to remove is what is in the air.

Air holds very little water even at high humidity compared to filament. Desiccant can hold much more water than filament. These are important to keep in mind when thinking about moisture and drying.

Putting desiccant in an AMS can really help or it can really hurt because it holds so much more water than filament or air. If your desiccant is more dry than the empty RH your AMS2 can hit, then it will help. More than that, it will do the lion’s share of the drying so why even bother with an AMS2?

On the other hand, let the desiccant get wetter than the AMS2 can hit when empty and you cripple the AMS2. Since desiccant can hold so much more water than filament, if your desiccant is too wet, that’s the water the AMS2 will be removing. Yep, it will dry the desiccant but it takes a long time and meanwhile your filament just sits in there taking a sauna.

Putting desiccant in an active dryer can help with drying but again, why bother with an active dryer if you’re just going to load it up with desiccant? And you have to keep the desiccant dry if you’re going to do that. Ignore the desiccant moisture content and you waste the whole point of an active dryer. You are literally paying to get bad results.

About the color change on silica gel, it is generally at too high of RH for our purposes. Use the actual relative humidity number instead. You can see where your desiccant is by just putting it in a sealing plastic cereal box or even a ziplock bag with a hygrometer and read the humidity when it stabilizes. If the number is higher than the totally empty AMS2 when in drying mode, it is compromising your drying.

Also, plastic bags are unsuitable for long-term bead/desiccant storage because they are permeable to water vapor. They are good enough for a quick measurement but will let desiccant soak up as much water as it wants if left.

As to what the RH ought to be in an active dryer when drying filament - there is no answer anyone can give you. Here’s why. In an active dryer you have filament giving up moisture at some rate depending on its moisture content, formulation, and type of plastic. On the drying end you have some process removing the water that will see the rate of removal dependent on the humidity both inside and outside the dryer. All of those are variable.

The humidity inside the dryer will be a superposition of everything affecting the water flow from filament to air to being moved outside.

The easy answer is the humidity in the dryer should be as low as the empty dryer relative humidity when drying and stable but you never really get there because as soon as you put filament in there, the way most people dry (or don’t) you’ve added a water source which increases the humidity in the box.

Probably clear as mud but the details are all there. Desiccant in an active dryer is either a waste of an active dryer or actively reducing the effectiveness of the active dryer depending on it the operator keeps it dry or not - at least more dry than the active dryer can hit empty.

My 2 Pros usually sit around 5 to 10 percent RH.

The best way to keep it down is to use an absolute s*** ton of desiccant.

These have been my favorite dry pods…

They hold about 500 grams of desiccant, compared to your bags that is probably 200 or so grams total.

Chasing zero will drive you crazy, but it is possible.

I will change desiccant when I start seeing around 25 percent RH. Best to just get a big tub from amazon.

Your RH environment is not too high, but a small dehumidifier will really help so your AMS is not fighting too hard.

I think it really depends on the filament.

PLA I actually don’t keep dry at all with typically 40-45 %RH ambient.

For PETG, I feel uncomfortable when humidity is above 15%, but I have no idea if 20% would still be ok.

My AMS usually sits at 0-4% and I change desiccant at 10%. (separate hygrometer with Bluetooth and alarming app). When the desiccant is saturated, it takes just a few more days from 10% to 15%, so it doesn’t really make a big difference. I use ~350g of molecular sieve as desiccant, which holds humidity down for several months before it starts to rise.

@Rangerhgm on “at what level”, the prints usually tell you before the number does: popping or hissing at the nozzle, more stringing than usual, fuzzy or rough walls, weak layers. If none of that is showing up at 31%, PLA is fine there.

For the touchier stuff these are rules of thumb, not official numbers (the Bambu wiki page on the humidity sensor doesn’t give per-material ones as far as I can find). PETG somewhere under 15-20%, Alex_vG’s uneasy line is 15. Nylon and PVA as close to single digits as you can manage, which is where the people here with big desiccant loads already sit. TPU is somewhere in between. Nylon and PVA are the fast ones, they’ll pick up noticeable moisture within a day or so sitting out in room air.

On the reading, like MZip said it’s the air in the box, not the spool. The outside of a spool reacts in hours but the inside takes a lot longer, so a jump right after opening the lid for a swap mostly isn’t the filament. Watch where it settles over a week or so at a similar temp (Short_Shot’s 13% at 44C example shows how much temp moves it). And if it’s holding at 31% with desiccant in, the bags might be getting full, so a recharge like Bullocks said is worth a try.

For what it’s worth, after a couple drying cycles my AMS is now at 9% RH and 25C and my prints are beautiful with PLA and PETG in there. I suspect the need to run multiple cycles came from drying at PLA temps while the one spool of PETG in there just took a lot longer to give up it’s water at the lower temperature setting.

It’s also been holding under 10% for 6 days using some 4A molecular sieve in the ‘rear’ desiccant box I printed out of PPS-CF in the hopes that I can regen that stuff at 400-425F (air fryer!) right inside that printed container (TBD). If all of that goes well I will likely print the full set for the 2 pro and HT and call it a day. Probably end up regenning the stuff once every few months.

Initial test survived about 10 minutes in the air fryer at 425F. The box seemed to get a little more flexible but did not deform.

Cross-post here. AMS 2 Pro RH reading can be misleading. Crosscheck independently with sensors that can read below 10%.


Direct Answer: if you print PETGs, hydroscopic PLA variants (CF, Wood etc.), engineering materials, “8% on the AMS” is when the pods should ideally be changed as soon as possible. (probably a different value on units that reads RH correctly)

(If you refilled it jam packed fresh but the readings aren’t go down back to “0% on the AMS” (5%~8% real RH) within ~half a day, it’s sign that some rolls are wet and are releasing moistures)

100% on the filaments just continuing to release moisture.

Also its hygroscopic, ackshually.

pushes up glasses and hits inhaler

You can find the recommended numbers in the Technical Data Sheet for every Bambu Lab filament, even for PLA they recommend a < 20% RH for both printing and storage.