You wouldn’t want to see the price of something like the H2D made in the US. Labor and parts prices would still be sky high. Probably worse than just the 145% tariff. Something like the iPhone is expected to be above $3000 for the current $1099 phone if it were moved to the States.
It’s not wrong to suspect that they may move production to a country with low cost and low tariffs. However, I suspect that would be short lived, and the loophole closed off with a quick swipe of a pen.
The Sobering Thought:
My real fear is the two bumps in price that we’ve seen is only the initial lobs of tariffs (meaning the first two 10% bumps and likely the 34%). If that is true, we still need to see the remaining 91%. If correct, it suggests the the $600 bump represents 54% of the declared value (approximately $1,100). That would mean, in a little bit, the H2D will be at a grand total of around $3800 (for the AMS Combo version). So H2D sales will likely be hit hard in the US.
BTW, when put up against the non-Chinese counter parts, the H2D may still be an option for the high end market. So, it may not completely disappear, but they will not be making the real money they designed it to make. I’m also assuming they had a new X1 and P1 getting prepped for release, that will likely just bypass the US market.
Oh theres absolutely not doubt sales are already hit. I agree that we are already at a % increase that isn’t sustainable. I think the only question is when will this BS be over and get back to normal prices and what will be that new normal be. Will it still remain slightly increased as companies know they can get away with keeping an elevated price. Assuming they [Chinese Companies] dont just write off selling in the US (which i honestly dont see happening) I think its just a waiting game at this point. Let Trump get it out of his system
Pretty much. You are talking about intermittently burning grams of materials vs continuously burning kilograms of materials. Yet no one buys a scubber for their fireplace.
The tariffs wouldn’t be imposed on the retail price…they’re imposed on cost, so any markup done from cost (Bambu’s profit essentially) won’t get the 104%. So prices won’t double or at least shouldn’t.
I understand that, that’s why I went through the hassle of estimating the declared value from the initial increases so far.
Declared Value $1100
If you assume the price raises to date was for the first 54%, you’ll see 1100 x .54 = $594 increase to the Retail price. Not too far off the $500 bump from the retail $2199, that now leaves the price at $2699 (I’m assuming Bambu is eating some of that missing $100).
Do you know that the declared value is $1100 or is that a guess? Seems a bit high to me…cost of all the parts and components I would guess would be half of that. Not arguing just asking. If the declare value at $1100 then yeah it looks like they’re eating a little.
No dog in the fight here, but wood stoves are regulated by the EPA and modern stove design (driven by European innovations) of relatively clean burning devices which discharge at an elevated point to the exterior of most homes. Now regionally there are variances, and many stoves manufactured prior to EPA requirements (2015?) are still happily chugging away. I guess I would say just because for reasons beyond comprehension things aren’t being done, doesn’t mean that they shouldn’t be done. There are a lot of politics at play.
Also note, everything I mentioned can be off. There’s no guarantee that Bambu isn’t taking a bigger hit internally. I’m just using the info available and coming up with what would be the most likely outcome with the info I know. There could be info that I’m not aware of that changes everything.
That’s an excellent point and I forgot many wood stoves have catalytic combustors to clean up the smoke.
@mugglesmuggle - I’m not your dad and am not telling you what to do. You asked why you would want to scrub the air you vent and we gave you reasons.
It sounds like you don’t want to use a scrubber so don’t. Maybe nobody who lives around you will know or care. It’s just people here have explained how noxious the fumes can be so if you want to do that to people and pets around you, knock yourself out.
I had estimated the P1S at about a $1000, so that suggests Bambu is able to declare a lower value (no middle man, as Bambu likely has a different wholesale price). Or Matter Hackers could be adding a premium, difficult to say.
BTW, I’m calculating the MSRP bump is coming in around 70-80%. That may be easier for people to use, instead of the declared value + 145%.
Yeah, Matter Hackers are just tacking on the full tariff on the full price (minus a little). The filament is at $32 for a refill on their site too.
Might be a good idea to stock up on filament before the prices on the various sites update. Whether that is Amazon or Bambu, I’m gonna grab a bunch of filament, especially the expensive stuff.
That was “no taxation without representation”. Now if your argument is that the American government doesn’t represent the American people, I’ll abstain.
If all you’re cutting in your laser cutter is plain old wood, Oak, Maple, Cherry, etc., then the smoke it produces is no better or worse than a campfire or fireplace. But people usually put plastics in their laser cutters, like Acrylic (one of the materials I use the most of in my Glowforge). ABS produces Cyanide gas when it burns. The smoke produced by these non-wood materials is much more noxious and in some cases can even be toxic. The same applies to wood composites, like MDF and Ply - these can often be glued with adhesives that contain Formaldehyde.
So if you’re going to cut anything besides plain solid wood (or you plan to mark metal or glass), you can vent outside without a filter no problem. If you’re going to put other things in the laser cutter, especially if you have neighbors who might be downwind, you want to filter.
If it’s a good enough filter, you don’t actually need to exhaust outdoors (the one Glowforge sells is like this). But if you can it’s a good idea to vent outdoors anyway.
