They did move up the shipping for the 10w from April 26th to 8th on Canadian site.
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Now with the Information of that uneven heating on the bed im completely out of the race 
Can you take a high res picture of that Vision Encoder out of the plastic? I want to print the picture and try to save a few bucks. 
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The P1S, X1C, and A1 have the exact same size bed.
I’m sure they will have aliexpress versions eventually. Someone can probably scan it and print it if they have a big enough scanner. Not sure if the paper printer will have 50 micron accuracy though! 
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Yes, you are correct. It is roughly 2mm pitched “noise” on the surface which is coming from the idler pulley on the X gantry rubbing against the toothed side of the belt. You can’t really get rid of it, as this is a design flaw. I see the same deficiency on H2D, which is puzzling me…
Honestly, with the same belt issue and 2mm VFA, dual extruder, which is not a proper IDEX (yet costs like one), uneven bed heating… what else? H2D has not even launched properly, but already some concerning things happening.
Also, personally, not a big fan of A1 style nozzles and their swap mechanism, but that’s IMO.
It’s been noted that the belt pitch on the H2d is finer than 2mm so this may not be an issue as you speculate.
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Okay boss! Instead of 2mm VFA, we will have sub 2mm VFAs… the point remains the same. A smooth Idler on a tooth side is a genius move
In this video he said the print surface was very smooth and no visible defects. Also very dimension accurate and he showed the real benefits of the dual nozzle. Almost no filament purges anymore. Only when you have multiple colors in 1 layer. I didn’t see this in any other videos. Even with the Picchu print, he had 14 purges instead of 200 with the X1.
Various reviewers have said it now has a 1.5 pitch, just like the QIDI Plus4.
And? Qidi has the similar issue with vertical VFA dues to the pulley rubbing against the toothed side of the belt. That’s not like a news, but design oversight.
No it doesnt. I have 1,000s of hours on mine. The belt pitch is the fix. Not pulley rubbing. People even solved the pulley rubbing here, and the vfa didnt go away. Pulley rubbing only causes squeeking
Imagine this. A 2mm pitch belt wrapped around a smooth pulley, leaves space between the teeth. That impact of the teeth against the smooth pulley face is what causes vfa. Now imagine you pull those belt teeth in tighter. The teeth almost touch when wrapped around a pulley. Filling in the voids and stopping impacts. Has nothing to do with rubbing on the flange
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@StreetSports - I think what you’re saying that there’s a special-sauce intersection between belt-tooth pitch+width and diameter of follower-pulley. In this special intersection realm, the teeth of the belt move together in such a way that they form a near-contiguous surface against the pulley, so that the chatter of teeth-on-pulley is eliminated or substantially reduced.
I get that, but I also think of what a bending belt (and its teeth) goes through when it goes around a pulley: imagine 1 tooth of the belt as it just starts to engage a pulley - the tooth is at it’s nominal spacing from it’s rearward neighbor and something just slightly less than nominal from it’s forward neighbor, if “forward” is defined as the direction toward the pulley surface. As our tooth progresses further along the pulley surface, it contracts further toward it’s forward neighbor, scraping against the pulley surface. It’s only when the tooth is in a position of the belt which is fully concentric with the pulley that the tooth is “in position” and available to create a contiguous surface with it’s neighbors.
In this way, I believe, there’s still the opportunity for vibrations, as the teeth of the belt continually shift and snap to position around the belt.
Your practical knowledge is very informing of course but I still see this as a failure of design, considering the opportunity for the defect creation. Why not engage the back of the belt with a follower pulley, instead of the teeth side and eliminate the defect possibility? They must have run into issues doing this, but it’s not apparent to me why this design decision represented difficulties.
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Multipurpose machines like this are nearly always a disappointment to me because no matter what any of you try and convince yourselves of, compromises have had to be made in order to accommodate all of the features and capabilities boasted by this machine. It only has so much physical footprint to cram stuff into.
Yup, you sure can buy just the 3D print version, but you’re still paying a premium price for a design meant to accommodate etching and plotting.
And for what? Space savings over purpose-built machines? Don’t even try to convince others that this machine offers “convenience” because not only do you have to disassemble and reassemble the machine anytime you want to swap from printing to etching, but you also have to deal with the added maintenance due to attempting both processes in the exact same closed environment. All this for compromised, lack-luster performance, especially from the etcher/plotter. In other words, THERE’S NO SUCH THING AS A FREE LUNCH…
I can absolutely guarantee that 90-95% of you who purchase the laser/plotter capable machine will no longer be utilizing those components 1 year from now because of the huge headaches caused by their use. I can say this because so many of you are admitting that up to this point, you’ve never even considered etching or plotting… Meaning you have absolutely zero experience with the process, and therefore have no real idea about what you’re getting yourself into. Not a knock on your intelligence as we all have to start somewhere, but this machine will not deliver what you might be imagining.
If this is a direction Bambu wants to go in, that’s fine! But do it with purpose-built machines that are refined and innovative to the process like the X1 did when it was first released, not this strange amalgamation.
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This is what I need to know. I am planning to sell my X1C (like new, perfect condition) and plates (2x textured and 2x smooth), and nozzles (0.2, 0.4, 0.6, and 0.8 all unused) and AMS units. However, I need to know if the AMS units work on the H2D or not, incase a buyer doesnt want 3 AMS units, but only wants 1 AMS unit. Then I can adjust the price to allow this, and just keep the extra 2 AMSs and use them with the H2D.
So how many will be cleaning the build plate in their sink vs tub or shower?
Well, as it relates to the plotter/drag knife. I own two cricuts, neither of which I regularly use. I don’t use them more specifically because I don’t have a space I can dedicate to them. When I do a project on one, I need to clear out a space somewhere to set the machine up. I don’t really have a good storage solution for them either, so they kind of get propped up in the closet when not in use.
I’m actually rather excited because the scale of projects I did on that cricut would fit just fine with the H2D’s setup, and would make doing those types of projects far easier. I’m not a big AIO type of person, but there are moments where there is value there within. As doing that type of work isn’t my main hobby, it’s nice to be able to roll those capabilities into a machine I do regularly use a lot.
The added features of the H2D over the X1C alone make the price bump worth it. Those added features are nothing to scoff at either. At it’s core, the H2D looks to be a well made 3d print. Certainly on paper it hits all the points I was hoping for.
What options do I even have if I want a dual nozzle printer, but that also supports an AMS like device?
The closest I can compare it to, that I’m aware of, is the ultimaker. Those machines are very expensive.
Exactly. Like I explained above, my cricuts don’t really fit into my life. I’ve lived in a few places since I first got one, and it’s always been a pain. The X1C/P1S are some of the best printers I’ve owned for how easy they fit into the spaces I occupy. I wish I had more space, but I don’t.
Just like my workspace, and it’s a constant battle. Thus, why I find value in this offering from Bambu.
This is why I’m responding. I do have experience and knowledge at least as it relates to the drag knife/plotter aspect, and there’s value I find within the prospects of this machine. I’m at least willing to explore those aspects and see how good they do or don’t work.
Thanks for insulting others without taking the time to understand their position or why they might find value in this. Thanks for assuming that people that are excited are only the ones with no experience that don’t know what they’re getting into.
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… isn’t that how everyone has to start at one point though? I entered the 3D printing hobby last November knowing absolutely nothing about it, yet I still enjoy it and have learned along the way. Please cut down on your elitist way of treating others.
This January I got myself an xTool M1 Ultra, knowing nothing about laser, cutting or pen plotting yet I learned by experimenting and I enjoy using those tools.
I applaud Bambu for taking this risk and making those tools available for more people to experiment with, and to discover the additional ways of creating stuff. I only see this as an advantage to all of us (think of all the new and exciting designs that will pop up on Makerworld etc).
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