Build Plates, my experience

I have been on the lookout for a suitable build plate for my H2D for a while, with the standard textured PEI having “room for improvement”, with regards to reliability of adhesion. I struggled to find the right one (for me) and am willing to share my experience here. TLDR: get the Kdeavi

The market is saturated with options (some cheap, some overpriced) and people that recommend them (some of which in obviously bad faith)

I have now tested 5 different options, with varying success, only one option (so far) has fully satisfied me and is now the “always print on this plate”. Sadly it was the one i bought last.

Your preference may vary, your experience may vary. If you use another plate than the one I like the most for myself dont be offended. Also consider that different brand filaments of the same type might still adhere differently (ie. if you got your Nylon to stick does not mean the one I happen to have would too…), so it is all a bit subjective.

My preference (i.e. what I want): I print a multitude of different materials, from PLA, PETG, ABS, TPU, as well as Nylon and PC. I tend to avoid reinforced filaments but occasionally use them if i see the need. 80% of my prints are functional prints. They range from absolutely huge to tiny/delicate. If i can avoid it i prefer not to use brims or rafts or anything (but occasionally do) I absolutely hate the idea of using glue either as adhesive or as release agent, I understand that they sometimes may be necessary, under certain circumstances, but do not have to use it regularly. I am not too fuzzed with build plate texture, I always considered the textured pei sheet imprints on my prints being fine. If I can choose though i would prefer a matte satin surface. Ideally I want a plate where prints adhere well throughout the entire print. I would rather use a spatula afterwards than having a print fail because of warping, plus detached prints can cause damage to the printer (ask how I know).

Plates that i have bought:

How the options did:

Textured PEI sheet: IF you manage to wash it thoroughly and keep it clean of even the slightest traces of fats/oils, it works, for the easy filaments. Had issues until i started regularly wiping with acetone. It works alright with PLA, PETG and ABS. large PLA prints tended to warp occasionally. needs brims on many instances PC and Nylon are impossible to print on it, regardless of settings/temperatures with glue or without. TPU sticks very well and can be easily released with a bit of IPA. - I stopped using it, its okay, but there are better options.

Glacier Plate: The biggest disappointment of the bunch, maybe because my expectations were too high due to many favorable reviews. Adhesion is not really better than textured PEI, had more prints come loose on this one than the PEI (yes fully cleaned, and run at the same temperature). The only advantage over the textured PEI this thing has is the texture. People claim this is good for TPU and Nylon. Have not tried TPU yet but Nylon certainly did not work. I’ll likely sell this one.

Arkfly Conweb plate: I intended it as a baseplate to glue a garolite sheet on. It is advertised as a cold plate (similar to frostbite). turns out it is more like the glacier with a different color, but slightly better adhesion, this might become my dedicated tpu plate.

Garolite sheet: gave it a sand with fine grit and a good wash. Wow! It works very well with Nylon and okay with PC, was going to test it with other filaments but then stopped. Very promising solution, but requires either spending a fortune or building a homebrew version.

The Kdeavi green plate (sold as CryoClover). Sadly I bought this last. This plate is awesome and now my standard build plate. I will probably buy a second one. I heard somewhere that Kdeavi are the oem of the od cryogrip frostbite plates (dont know if true). They also have a purple one, but advertise this one as having better adhesion, matte surface and compatible with more filaments. PLA, PETG, ABS, Nylon, PC just… sticks. For PLA and PETG i use normal bambu coolplate settings, for the rests high-temp/smooth PEI. No glue, no brims, no faffing around. just print. After the plate has cooled down prints usually are easy enough to remove. Some persuasion with a spatula may be required for smaller parts (not a problem if you’re careful). Texture is similar to the glacier (nice satin matte). Just never print TPU (apparrently some ABS blends contain TPU!), on it.

Thats it, hope it helps somebody stuck in a similar situation like me.

just to make sure I get it right: The green one is the matte one? :wink:
I will head out, trying your recommendation right today :wink:

thats a table from the supplier. I have the “verdant softtouch” - but they call it “cryoclover” on aliexpress… no clue why. There is an even newer version (and apparrently even better…), but its not available for the h2d.

Great, thank you very much! :slightly_smiling_face:

Thanks for the review. Always looking for good inexpensive build plates.

One question. Does the plate have a QR code on it for the printer to read?

Interesting, I bought what I thought was a BL dual sided plate from Bambu. My BL printer can’t read it. BL told me how to turn off the feature. Not at all what I had hoped for.

It works, but… :thinking:

welcome!

on the h2d it indeed does come with the coolplate qr code. (so does the arkfly). the glacier has the engineering plate (EDIT, smooth pei - thanks!) one. they are picked up by the printer.

However i have disabled print plate detection on mine as i often “pay around” with the settings when printing more exotic filaments

I simply bought Bambu’s engineering plate. I also bought Black Magic adhesive. Works great for all kinds of materials I’ve tried on my H2D - so far.

The adhesive is great. Excellent hold while printing and once cool parts almost fall off the plate.

My Glacier plate came with stickers that identify it as a Smooth Hi-Temp (PEI) plate.

I’m surprised by your experience with the Glacier. So far, I have had no prints break loose, using PLA, PETG, TPU, ASA, and PC. The prints all released easily after cooling. My only disappointment was that nylon warped a bit and did need glue to get a flat print.

Glad you found one that works but I’ll second that High Temperature PEI settings on Glacier Pro shouldn’t be like that. I’ve had multiple of those amongst my printers, solid for the most part.

Here is my 2 cents and what filaments I use on which plates (no glue):

Frostbite/Kdeavi purple - PLA/PETG/ABS/ASA

Glacier - PET-CF and smaller PA items

G10 - PC/PA/PPA/PPS

Smooth PEI - PC

Textured PEI - TPU

Uncoated textured PEI or engineering plate - TPU and PEBA 90A and softer

3D effect (CF texture etc) plates - TPU only

There might be 3 aspects to our different experience with the glacier (or any plate for that matter)

  1. mine might be of a different batch (i.e. deviance between batches or versions) maybe yours is just better

  2. maybe i’m doing something wrong (i washed it with dish soap that doesn’t contain moisturizers and then used it)

  3. Adhesion is a bit subjective. To clarify my glaciers adhesion isn’t bad, as such its in my experience just not better than the textured PEI (maybe my PEI has better adhesion than others - they are a bit finnicky as well) so its all relative. And I got a bit overhyped on it as everybody was recommending it, which contributed to the disappointment.

yes. now with the newer Kdeavi you can basically print everything (apart from TPU) on one plate, however its the only cold plate i have, i.e. no idea how it compares to the frostbite or purple plate, but it seems there still was some development going on (or maybe they just added a different color and its all the same)

So far, I am absolutely loving the Darkmoon Satin Build Plate for Bambu Lab Printers.
I first read about Darkmoon on Reddit, as I was looking for an alternative to the stock PEI plate after a few bed adhesion issues - as I’m fairly new to 3D printing, the failures were probably my fault anyway. While I like the texture of the PEI plate, it’s not a texture I want on everything. The Darkmoon Satin plate sticks like there’s no tomorrow on PLA and PETG, the only two materials I’ve tried to far. (I’ve also learned quite a bit about supports since I started)

Yes, Darkmoon plates are expensive, but it’s become my go-to plate for just about every print.

Considered Darkmoon (the garolite and carbon versions though), then looked at cost (especially shipping costs) and discarded it. They tend to receive very good reviews indeed, but its just not viable for me.

if I understand correct the Darkmoon Satin plate is essentially just a smooth (“modified”) PEI. Smooth PEI build pates can be bought far cheaper from the usual suspects. For PLA and PETG PEI usually works perfectly fine if the plate is clean (i.e. fingerprints) and temperatures are normal (i.e. not cold)

These plates remind me of fishing lures. Most fishing lures are designed to catch people, than fish.