Debating getting H2D, but wondering if any other printers in pipeline?

HI all, I have an X1C and love it and was hoping the next printer release was going to have the multi tool head like prusa XL. Multi toolheads like the Prusa xl, combined with the AMS, combined with larger volue and all the features of a BL would be the bees knees. I really thought that was BL’s plan as now they would incorporate the only real advantage the XL has. Do we know if there is any chance of that happening any time soon or is the H2D going to be the pinnacle for the next several years?

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:joy: since you posted this on Reddit too I will copy over my answer :grin:.

No definitely not, no multi tool heads for Bambu. Actually there is a new photo leak that dropped showing the opposite. That Bambu is actually working on making an H2 without the dual nozzle, and taking advantage of a bigger build plate.

If you NEED (or want) a multi independent toolhead printer, wait (the Prusa XL is an overpriced ridiculously embarrassing abomination). There is some interesting technology about to come out in this area, particularly this product using inductive heating:

If you need a precision dual-extruder printer suitable for engineering filaments, you’ll be VERY happy with an H2D, as long as the one you get has good QC and didn’t get bashed in transit :grinning:

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H2D just came out. It will be the bleeding edge of out of the box, plug in and go printing tech for a while. You will always be able to build better machines for more time and money. I can’t imagine anyone else coming out with anything close to the H2D in terms of polish.

Yeah I have seen the Bondtech ai talking ads before and people have been waiting and waiting for a printer by them. I saw that one they had at a show. Tons of promises but call me skeptical I don’t think they are going to revolutionize 3d printing like they have been acting like. They aren’t the first to use that type of heating technology has been around for years.

I also really dislike their youtube ads with awful speech and tons of layered on graphics and showing off features. If they have such a great product why do they hide behind fake imagery and pay the big bucks to have it all animated? I mean just show the thing if you believe in it and have someone show it and talk about it but no they use all this fanciful imagery and we only get to see the machine working when people film it at events.

Seriously none of their youtube video ads scream confidence in the product.

The dev talk about it doing 260-270 for sure… but no guarantees for higher pretty much nailed the coffin for me. I had hopes for it, but understand their engineering limitations better now.

Thanks, I saw that lol. My post kept getting autodeleted by reddit’s filters so wasn’t sure if it was ever going to go through and posted here as well.

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I just like the idea of multimaterial prints, multicolor prints that don’t take forever, and a larger volume. Someone else pointed out the I NDX thing on reddit but not entire surely what is happening with that. Will that be a new printer coming out with multitool heads that can also independently change filaments?

What are you referencing? 260-270? The print speed for the h2d?

So, is there a reason why BL didn’t just take the few things their biggest competitor (prusa I’m assuming) and incorporate it into their next printer? I’m guessing some type of technology limitation.

It’s highly doubtful that Prusa is any competition at all to Bambu Labs (economically), nor currently has anything at all that any competitor would have the slightest need or desire to “take” or emulate.

Why would any innovative, leading company imitate obsolete tech (XL) that took more than five years to be marketed for too high a cost and that doesn’t work particularly well most of the time?

It took Prusa nearly six years to come out with a “Core One” - shoddy disfigured attempted clone of something supposed to fit right in the middle of the Bambu P1S and P1P, made out of unpurchased MK4 leftovers, what does Bambu Labs have to emulate there, black and orange color scheme with non-metal structural parts printed on an MK4? :rofl:

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I used the Bondtech ad as an example of possible multi-tool with integrated inductive heating for the extruder that is/would actually be an advance in printer tech for popular printer brands.

That tech IS available on industrial high-temp printers (as a single extruder as far as I know at the moment), and the price is way higher for one than several H2Ds would cost…

One thing Bondtech and others have to justifiably be cautious about is, even if they actually have working products using this technology (which is likely, actually), that Stratsys won’t pull out some old patent and claim infringement which would block sales to the US (and probably EU, too) for quite some time if not permanently. So they “fly the kite” and wait for a few months to see if they get the “Cease and Desist” from the lawyers, before proceeding to production.

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I explained the aspects that I think are worth emulating. The toolhead. Having several independent toolheads drastically increases multicolor printing.

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INDX is only half way there. They really need to come up with a vision based alignment algorithm. We haven’t even see one nozzle swap accuracy test yet on INDX systems… Raising a little bit of red flag for me.

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And you think that Prusa innovated having several independent toolheads?

Friend, please be aware of and understand factual historical data, Prusa innovated nearly nothing, all they ever did was mostly take “open source” designs and perhaps clumsily refine them for ease of small-batch manufacturing so they could sell the results as “Prusa” printers.

This is not opinion or opposition - there was nothing at all wrong with Prusa’s business strategy, and they passed the results test and grew enough of a loyal, paying fanbase to stay in business and grow, as is undisputable.

But their products speak for themselves - they are not less expensive than any other consumer printer, there is provably nothing innovative at all about any of their printers, they themselves don’t seriously claim anything like that, they claim mainly that their printers always provide great documentation (which is true), “perfect first layers” (which was mostly true for the MK4 printers), excellent customer service (once very true, now very debatable) and a bag of gummy candies when one buys one of their printers.

For your consideration, a Stratasys patent from around fourteen years ago on this topic:

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dude, calm down. You’re making this something it’s not. Thank you for your input, I’m good now.

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Words to live by, friend, :sunglasses:

Calmness or lack thereof has nothing to do with banishing ignorance.

Note well, delicate flower :tulip:, before enraging yourself, that ignorance means: lack of knowledge, understanding, or information about something.

Being ignorant is nothing special, very common, mundane, and widespread.

Both pursuing and appreciating factual knowledge that fills festering voids of ignorance loudly echoing with advertising slogans, popular mythology and just plain old falsehoods, is worthy and would be good now, “dude”.

Don’t get touchy when you ask questions and get correct answers with verifying links to valid, original sources.

All this is, was a user (in this case, you) asking a question of general interest, and receiving a detailed answer that is of no less general interest to others reading a 3D printing technical forum.

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I’m sure there are other printers in the pipeline, but except for the one possible leak, nobody has a clue as to what they are or even what they might be, and least of all when they might launch. For better or worse, Bambu marches to the beat of their own drummer and holds its cards very close to its vest. With benefit of hindsight, all previous attempts at predicting what Bambu might release next landed pretty far afield from what Bambu ultimately chose to do.

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Dumbset thing ive read today. Congrats. Some people lack information but have an abundnace of word salad. Just my opinion :wink:

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Most baseless, unfounded thing I’ve read today, backed up with nothing - at least the OP I was responding to was merely ignorant of certain facts, rather than clowning himself. Congrats. :rofl:

Do you have the reading comprehension to understand that the OP I was responding to claimed that perhaps Bambu Labs might want to copy “Prusa’s” innovative, unique technology - ie, “multi toolhead printer”, for their next printer after the H2D? This despite the fact that Stratasys patented a “multi toolhead printer” embodiment around 14 years ago [which I linked to]?

Can you refute the facts that Prusa manufactures and markets their [very limited] adaptations of well-known open-source printers starting, with the old Mendel RepRap stuff, didn’t come out with a “new” type of printer until recently, about 5 years after they claimed “any day now”, and their recent “innovations” are a crappy version of what Stratasys documented 14 years ago (the “xhelL”) and an even crappier version of a bastardization of the MK4 into a “coreXY” (the Core 1, kind of like an apple but after all the fruit is eaten)…

In any case, the comments and replies speak for themselves.

An apt, but slightly modified ancient saying for you and your ilk:
On a printer forum, it’s good to know the truth, but better to post pictures of motorcycles…


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