Designers are free to be rude and use any tag they want…

Even if the model doesn’t have anything to do with the tag. This is the reply I got when I asked to have the cyberbrick tag removed from a silverware storage box.

“ tag sono liberi di essere utilizzati da chiunque e non capisco perché ti impicci di una questione che non ti riguarda.”

And in English:

“Tags are free to be used by anyone and I don’t understand why you meddle in a matter that doesn’t concern you.“

In other words, tags are for his use to attract attention, not for filtering searches. And it is OK for a designer to be nasty. It IS of my concern what tags are used.

I did report the model and the designer and asked that the model be removed and the designer warned.

That is really all you can do.

The system is built on trust for the most part. The problem is when that does not work because people are untrustworthy.

I hate this line. It concerns everyone on the platform.

Just a greedy creator looking for more and more views.

Don’t be shy, share the model

Italian you say? Hmmmmm… wonder if it’s our friend the Italian, Ukrainian who speaks Japanese, loves his privacy and hates trolls?


Those Italians…

Yeah, I noticed a while back that “Christmas” and “Halloween” are in the tags of a TON of models that aren’t related to either. Without looking I’m sure “Labubu” is a popular tag now too.

Dishonesty should be punished, similar to model entries in unrelated contests.

Allowing these to continue diminishes the search engine.

MW have said they prioritise tags that appear in the title or description, but doesn’t prohibit activities with the motive of circumventing the search engine and promoting their unrelated models when the user searches something else.

What is the point of rules if the gatekeepers do not act, and if they do, the way things are done is uneven and appears to favour the cheats.

They caused the prime tower pasta issues, generalisation may be wrong.

That’s literally me. :rage:
Better monitor though :sunglasses:

you should see on another platform where users put FDM objects as Resin printable XD while it being a multicolor profile.

I struggle with tags. You mean I can put anything I want in? Heh.

Really I do. I draw a blank other than the actual thing.

What would you use to search for the thing you are uploading.

Use those.

Not others

Done.

I am brilliant at this brain stuff, imagine how great I would be if it wasn’t damaged!

It’s rude! This kind of answer should be reported

I did report it and the makerworld rep removed the tag.

I did have an idea that would minimize the problem…

@MakerWorld a limit of 5 or maybe 10 at most for tags would force the greedy ones to choose those that might return hits on their model. Should be easy to implement.

This is how user generated content works when you put a cash incentive on the other end of it.

The incentive is to get any and all attention. You know how to get attention? Find the top 10 search terms from analytics, and put those 10 words in your tags.

Platform owner doesn’t care, because a result of that activity is engagement goes way up. Quality falls off a cliff but who cares about quality when you’ve got all these FunBucks© coupons! The only metric in the attention economy is ENGAGEMENT.

The same dishonesty drives the entry of unrelated models into competitions … for exposure. I report and leave it up to Makerworld Moderator team to deal with, then move one. In my limited experience, good designers are for the most part honest.

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Just another example of rude people out there

“I don’t like a rating, must be fake”

This speaks to ethics, honesty, and personal integrity. In an anonymous environment like this any individuals weak on those will create problems.

If you start with thinking all cultures are equal you are already going to be disappointed.

Individuals who use social media for income nearly all lose their scruples, and ethics… assuming they come from a culture that even values honesty and mutual respect. Many do not. Many are taught that you are a chump to be taken advantage of. Amplifying this is a notion that there is no victim (in a world where individuals are told to be the biggest victim).

With anonymity at the centre of this it’s unsurprising we see the worst of people.

Nearly all the people milking this tag situation will lack genuine capacity to grow a following. They have to scam people. Most with high quality offerings generate organic followings.

Remember we live in the age of individualism and entitlement. Where looking for the easiest way is “success” even where it compromises essential quality.

The way that Bambu / YT or other over-seers manage their platforms sets the playing field and rules. When their interest is just profit, they will sacrifice quality and good will.

It’s massively a problem on YT and increasingly one with MW and other incentive based design platforms. A flood of trash is being produced to gain “money” not to meet a need for the trash.

Many decent designers or individuals who begin creating content - virtual or otherwise, who discover a cash incentive, end up losing their way and become about the money instead of what they actually began as. WE become the product instead of the “thing” they do/make. Optimising for that ultimately arrives at producing a giant steamingshit wrapped in gold foil.

Look at some of the channel creators on YT as example who begin with a useful collection of knowledge to share… but then get desperate and just start churning ■■■■ to keep the metrics up. It’s not a real business with a plan and real product… just a person trying to brand themselves. Woodwork YT channels are the prime example I reckon which crosses into the 3d printing space. In 3d printing, or any mechanical sector - Female content creators sexualising their videos with skimpy tops, no bra, mini skirts and other deliberate nonsense shows how much getting clicks and likes and whatever financial incentive exists as a priority over quality content/product. It’s all happening on here now with many crossing over platforms. AI is compounding the ease with which the system can be gamed.

MW will end up like YT I think…because of greed and lack of ethics. The tools to enable you to find the exact knowledge you need (design) will be gamed to the point of absurdity where the terms of reference no longer even link to the content. Here people are already abusing tags… wait until the thumbnails and titles start being misleading like on YT.

“10 non-working clones of designs you didn’t know you don’t want to know about” <presented by a chick (or guy with AI filter) in deliberately provocative clothes massively over-acting, with AI voiceover and undisclosed financial links to products being reviewed after 15 minutes of use>

The Solution? disincentivise ruining the search system and deliberate misleading titles etc as a start. Remove algorithms that try to predict because that’s what led to all of this to begin with.

Set up review processes for the model and its functionality - not just print profiles. I don’t mind variants of ideas… but straight up clones by people trying to jump on bandwagons is a problem too when it comes to comps / payments but I don’t know how to separate that from individual desire to customise their own version or avoid blocking innovation on existing works. Motivations of a designer may be inferred but can’t really be known from a design and its marketing is my point there.

I’m rambling but it’s a topic aligned with issues I’ve been dealing with in my own work and groups I run in Social media so a lot on my mind.

You indicate there are only so many tags available for each one when you say “greedy”. Is that the case? If not, how are they “greedy ones”?

Exactly. Just ignore the ones that aren’t tagged properly. That’s what I do. I don’t let it control my emotions. Who has time to be upset by something this trivial?

Would you not get annoyed when you search and something completely unrelated comes up?

No one is getting upset here. We are saying there is room for improvement.

I use google and the storefront for the company i work for, getting search results that have things i didn’t search for is par for the course for me lol