Id say the core xy xl was game stepped up and beyond others.(announced in 2021) Their new delta machine that does peek is a pretty big step too.
The new mmu3 is the fastest color changer. Its not the original from almost 5 years ago. Also allows for large spools As youre not limited to an enclosure. Feed 4 rolls directly from a sunlu s4
Id address all inacuracies in this thread, but I know better. Alot of it is just *** boy panic.
Even Mr. Raymond made an appearance. Fun times.
If this all works out as advertised, ill be switching away from Bambu(lack of original ideas, support, personal forum experience and community are why). Id rather give cash to allies. Tariffs should be kicking in right as printed solid gets stock. Eventually theyll be built in the U.S… I never print with more than 3 or 4 colors anyway and im tired of vfa which could have been fixed with a pulley/belt kit.
Prusa have always given their customers long term support with bundled upgrade kits that enable even longer support.
Chinese manufacturers NEVER did this. That’s why you pay half the price.
Maybe but the boxless structure of the MMU mitigates against endlessly opening up the ams to remove a broken piece of a filament stuck in the pfte tube. Prusa printers also print exotic filament better than any Chinese printer, bar perhaps the x1
Prusa didn’t reveal the print speed of this new 3D printer, and it doesn’t have features like Lidar and AI calibration. It is a cheaper version of Prusa XL to compete with Bambu Lab X1 Carbon.
well we are at this forum, so i’m sure we all love our x1cs, however the arguments being made against the Core One are making very little sense, it seems like this is a pretty great printer, and will indeed stand it’s ground against the x1c, and given that the x1c is already a couple years old, it’s not unusual that it has surpassed it in some ways, it is what it is
in my view this is a positive thing, bambulab just needs to respond with the next printer, it’s as simple as that
That’s a thing we all quickly overlooked isn’t it? Here are the things I see that the device has that makes it far more palatable to the enterprise user than an X1. If one uses these four bullets as a point of comparison, then the Prusa Core One starts to look a lot more like a heavily discounted X1E than a competitor to the X1C.
Ethernet–Clearly this is what Enterprise customers demand.
Cloudless support–another big no-no that Bambu failed to adequately address with the X1E.
The ability to nullify Wi-Fi altogether if the customer chooses to do so. This is a huge cybersecurity issue for companies designing confidential products.
Camera as a non-proprietary USB interface. Again, from a security perspective this is huge but from an extensibility perspective, also significant. As camera technology improves, being able to add on a USB device is a great benefit and opens up the possibility of multicamera monitoring, perhaps even I/R camera spaghetti detection. But at the end of the day, the ability to prohibit the use of a camera at all is a huge security boost.
When I say that the X1E clearly failed to address this issue, I mean that enterprise customers generally do not want to be beholden to third-party support. They expect the manufacturer to support the product first, with channel partners serving as a day-to-day service organization. The X1E lacks this entirely, and considering that after two years Bambu has demonstrated an inability to adequately support end users, what hope would an enterprise customer have?
Having said all that. The one thing that Prusa continues to fall down on is the lack of North American direct support. Weren’t they supposed to open a US logistics facility in 2025? That seems to have gone quiet.
Totally agree with that notion which is why I stated such in my first post. Competition is good and Bambu has lit a fire under Prusa and others in the industry and now it looks like Prusa is taking the fight back. Again “competition is good… for us that is”!!!
From what I have seen, MMU3 is a workhorse, but it looks janky as
I would not be surprised if it became a much more integrated professional system. For a core XY the PTFE from MMU to extruder can be a lot shorter and the retraction on the spools as well. The retraction of the spools can be accomplished with spring loading just like the AMS lite when the retraction is shorter.
I think you are forgetting that with Bambu the hotend needs to move off of the build plate to purge, needing a larger printer or a smaller bed, also losing a strip of potential build space. With the Prusa solution this extra space is at least useable when you have a smaller purge block or none at all.
I would not be surprised if Prusa announces a more ‘professional’ MMU that still has the same principles as MMU3 (less waste, cam system) but from injection molded parts, slick looking and fitting on top of the Core 1 completely.
Unless I rack up enough Prusameters I will not buy one (I have never bought a printer) and we still have to see how it performs. But for now I’m intrigued.
The one thing I think is more reliable (and thus more wasteful) with the AMS is that it doesn’t fully retract the filament each time, which could potentially get stuck in the cold-end. I have had this happen when manually pulling filament out of my older printers, where the hot blob hot-glues itself to the inside of the cold-end.
I mean, there is no real review of this printer. I don’t see it as people being Bambu’s fanbois, it’s the simple fact that people take that video at face value. I asked about features of this printer, if similar to X1C, but it doesn’t seem to have them, so it’s more of a P1S with a better enclosure.
I personally want them to succeed, as an european. It’s just that till now there was no incentive for me to go Prusa when so many other companies offers much better features out of the box, for a fraction of the price. It doesn’t have to be Bambu, there is QIDI, Flashforge and others, even the new K2 from Creality seems nicer, with a generous bed size. And for the european market I see Ratrig as a better alternative. Also voron is a better alternative and fully open source, unlike MK4 or XL. There is still no incentive to buy this Core One, as it’s quite more expensive and has features other printers already have for some time and some are missing. I think it’s just another printer and Prusa finally catching up to the market. Then again, we also need the reviews, as I’ve said already.
What you save in money, you pay with frustration/wasted time down the line. Cheap parts, little to no software support, violation of open-source licenses, printer that only work with glue-sticks, bad bed leveling, early failure because of cheap hardware and so on.
-Same (some would say dated) interface on the machine as older Prusas?
-Only 290 for max nozzle (according to web page)…or is it 300 (according to interview with 3D printing nerd). That difference matters for engineering filaments like PPA.
It looks like a nice machine for sure. And at a remarkable price for a Prusa. I wonder though, does it have enough to compete as a consumer printer? So much was made of the spool holders, and it was light on real tech details. I’m not convinced it is targeting the enterprise - it is priced too low, which I know sounds funny, but expectations matter… on the other hand, I bet the quality will beat the X1C - overhangs, cooling, maybe bed heat speed.
My personal opinion is that this isn’t so much “Printer vs Printer”, but rather “Brand vs Brand”. Even more specifically, both brands are known for their printers reliability and such, but I think this comes down to " ‘Open source’ vs Closed source" and there isn’t an instant answer of which machine is superior; especially since nobody has gotten to do a legitimate review of the machine yet. Hell, we don’t even know the max speed of the Core One.
Based on what Prusa has been generous enough to provide us, the Core One looks unique while also being heavily hinted as a competitive printer to the X1 (at least in price and their release video). However, there are certain trade-offs with each machine, with I think the biggest difference being open vs closed source.
It’s a bit frustrating though that Prusa is now just catching up; it could be argued that the X1 still offers better value and the only reason you should choose the Core One is if you really want open-source, because the multiple year-old X1 can still work just as well if not even better than the Core One (at least on paper). Prusa used to be known for their innovation, but now they seem to only have released the Core One as a panicked solution to the “X1 problem”, and none of what they released is really anything new in technological terms.
That doesn’t sound funny at all. Historically, technologies like laser printers began as departmental resources before becoming ubiquitous. For 3D printers, costs, filament expenses, and print times still make them more practical as centralized tools. However, a reliable, secure, sub-$1,000 model could shift them to personal use for designers. The key question is: does this printer hit the right balance of features and price to drive that shift?
Valid point but to take advantage of this the bed size on the core one would need to be bigger than 256 x 256 would it not? The core one bed size is 250 x 220 so it’s still smaller even if you don’t require a purge block. If you do required a purge block for a for say a 4-5 material print would it not give you roughly a 220 x 220 build plate area?
It would be interesting to compare the weight of the purged filament in both systems. I would suspect when both systems are optimized the purge material usages should be very close. I guess the determining factor would be which system leaves the most amount of filament in the nozzle below the cut point.
If the “fast-change” nozzles are the same as my MK4, the Bambu nozzles are better. The MK4 is slower and less reliable to swap nozzles on than an old “slow-change” nozzle.
Instead of more bed, they went with a smaller footprint than a mk4. I believe he says in one of the videos that he was able to add more printers to an existing farm (“added another row of printers~in super strong accent”)because of the footprint. Prusa makes alot if money selling to print farms. I see a few things aimed at farms like no poop, shatterproof doors, silence, not needing to access the rear and all the connectivity. Could even argue that the mmu is less limiting because you could put the spools wherever vs having to add in the exact footprint of an ams. Only running dual colors? Still need the whole ams.
Rather impressed that they managed to make it smaller than the MK4 and have a larger bed size. I agree, its design appears to have had print farm in the forefront of their design decisions.
The pictures and video I’ve seen of the Core One make it look physically smaller than the X1C and so I was surprised to learn that its larger and almost twice as heavy. Especially since it doesn’t need to worry about handling filament waste.
Mk4s - 500×550×400 mm 7 kg
Core One - 415×444×555 mm 22.5 kg
X1C - 389×389×457 mm 14.3 kg
Glad to see that Prusa finally trying to add to their lineup and fill the huge gap that Bambu created. I just hope that they learned from their mistakes with how they handled the XL.
