You can read everything on the product page…
- has input shaping
- 290 °C / 554 °F
Also Prusa is not fully open source anymore since mk4s and xl
Where did you hear that? Did you read their announcement page? I don’t think it can be any clearer than this:
Here’s their GitHub Page. It doesn’t look like they are hiding their source code at all. What am I missing?
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It’s the hardware side, indeed since XL the hardware is not truly open hardware, still customizable but does not fall under the standards
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In JPs interview with 3d printing nerd he said 300. Not sure which is right.
This thread is where I found out my p1 won’t be supported past 2028 
if that’s what they plan to do I’m jumping ship, no sense in investing more if Bambu isn’t going to support the products we buy.
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The cutoff date is for firmware updates. 5 years of firmware updates is pretty common. The printers will continue to function past this date and the firmware will have matured to the point it won’t need firmware updates. It’s really almost already to this point in it’s development cycle.
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Yeah, my PC from 2011 works great, but hasn’t had BIOS updates since ~2014
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Well, we dont know what advancements are on the way. Youre guaranteed to not get those advancements after 5 years if they require a firmware adjustment. Is it 5 years from release or 5 years from now?
I was thinking about the bed size and overall volume also. 250x220x270. Anybody know the actual max rectangle with the exclusion areas taken out of the bambu? is it 245x245 or less? or 233x248x256?
I believe, with exclusion areas taken out, they are near identical volume.
You’re missing the point that dumping projects on github is != open source. Open source means that the engineering files like designs, sketches, blueprints, everything is public for everyone.
There is no open source hardware. In the past you could buy and print yourself parts from everywhere else, with common parts. Same with electronics. If your hotend was broken, you could replace it with something non Prusa. Now, there are no open source designs.
And in case you missed your own highlighting, let me mention it again:
Our software and firmware are open-source. - software and firmware
I mean, the software being the Prusa slicer, which is based on another slic3r, as Bambu slicer is also open source and based on Prusa slicer.
The firmware is open source. Till mk3s+ it was based on Marlin. Prusa didn’t invent Marlin. There is also klipper and it can run on various chinese hardware like Creality and others. Yet Creality don’t care to mention open source, even when their parts are more common to buy. MK4 firmware is based on klipper, at least initially, and it was without input shaping. I don’t know if input shaping is still calculated or using an accelerometer.
People keep saying that Bambu is like Apple, not innovative at all, they didn’t invent anything that already existed, yet Prusa did the same since reprap.
I believe open source has always been about software.
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Silly me… and here I was since 1989 thinking that open source was referring to source-code. Thanks for clearing that up. 
I am so much wiser now. 
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It was about hardware as well for Prusa, till a few years ago.
If you say in general, then no. Look at Arduino, It’s open source hardware and software. You can make clones of it just not call it Arduino. OpenBuilds, which people used to make 3D printers, is open source hardware. Now many companies around the world make those V-slot profiles and people still make DIY printers with them.
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I think, when you arent using off the shelf parts, open hardware is pointless unless you are trying to make a chinese clone(us old guys remember all the early prusa clones). Otherwise, communities just measure things and retrofit. The software being open sourced makes it possible to mod and upgrade.Open hardware is smart for open builds because they sell off the shelf parts
The irony of the Prusa’s quote…
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Crazy that that was 13 years ago. Guess he held for over a decade.
My favorite company mission statement is “no more bed slingers” ~1 year later/ releases 2 bed slingers while everybody wants a larger core xy unit. Meanwhile, most other companies producing larger core xy machines.
When bambu releases a larger unit, will that be copying all the other companies? Asking for a friend.
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I designed 3D printers for a living and one of them was a super barebone but super solid/high quality cantilever desktop 3D printer.
Once on a Makerfair we heard Joseph walking past our booth and making fun of our 3D printer telling that cantilever designs are stupid and they are too weak and flexible to make decent 3D printers.
We had them dangling AND printing while hanging from the ceiling! Still pretty sure our printer is stiffer than almost any i3 style printer
And a couple years later, he releases the Prisa mini, a cantilever printer 
So yeah, people change, and marketing language changes accordingly with the market and product line. I think his tattoo still holds like any other persons tattoo, it’s a statement where you came from, not necessarily defining who you are at the moment.
Same goes for bambu:
Only have core xy? Bed slingers are stupid. Until you develop one.
While bed slingers were always fine. Slightly slower maybe, and need a bit more room, but if you have a good platform I can’t think of other big downsides.
That said, for now I’m loving what the Core one is bringing to the table, even if it is just competition
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That is not the way it works. In a corporate environment, the equipment is purchased or leased through and serviced by independent authorized dealers. If a piece of equipment fails, the dealer often supplies a replacement or a loaner until the equipment in question is repaired. It is the dealers who often do the calibrations, provide regular maintenance, arrange for repairs, help customers setup their equipment, and provide on-site training, as well as integration with existing equipment. You didn’t think that a corporate suit was going to get their hands dirty did you?
Looking through the offerings of various professional dealers I can see that they all tend to carry several 3D printer lines. Brands such as Cubicon, Dremel, Envision Tec, and Ultimaker. They all sell Bambu Lab X1-E, some even sell the entire Bambu line, but none sell anything from Prusa.
Somehow I think that you are the victim of misinformation.
Which industrial equipment dealers are you talking about?
I think youve been highly misinformed on multiple things. Out of the machines youve mentioned, none of them belong in a factory for production besides Etec if you need resin prints. If you had said stratasys or possible even the delta prusa printer, i would be slightly closer to agreeing. Chances are, youre thinking of small businesses that have 1 or 2 printers for small projects. Small businesses that have 50 or more machines are mostly prusa farms.
Im trying to think of this corporate setting that has printers from dremel but also where people wear a 3 piece to work.
Maybe youre mixing up paper printers with filament printers? I work at a large semiconductor manufacturing facility/campus. We have a print center that uses prusa for small projects or specialty tools and fixtures. Large projects are farmed out to companies that use large closet sized printers. Anything that requires engineering material is also outsourced. The people we outsource to are not using x1e’s. Theyre using machines most people here have never heard of and that small companies will be copying in 5 years while calling them patent trolls.
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I don’t know, I haven’t seen any Prusa in the biggest automotive company in the city I live in. I’m in the EU, so you would assume Prusa is the default, but no, they use neither Prusa or Bambu. Let’s not forget Ultimaker (and others) are in the EU, having more reliable systems. I’m personally more impressed by the Ratrig than Prusa, which is another EU company. And all the schools and universities in my country are using some old generic enders. I guess they are learning on hardcore mode.
All companies will probably copy some stratasys ideas if they could. But yea, everything these days is build on previous idea, even Prusa not just Bambu.
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Glad you agree with me about actual industrial settings. Bet that automotive company uses a giant industrial printer if its for production. I could see a company using a couple method xl’s for 1 off parts.
What is the name of the automotive manufacturer? Maybe i can figure out what they use and what they use it for
I have a 500mm ratrig vcore 4 with hybrid/idex on order. Should be here before christmas.
They just announced an “engineering grade” line of printers from a sister company.Probably means it has a heater, enclosure and comes prebuilt. Highly doubt it will have a 90c chamber and 500c hotend like the prusa delta though.
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