Forcing us to create waste only to take a picture

This is also the case for print profile reviews - assuming honest reviewers, a print profile uploaded with incorrect tolerances/dimensions would result in lower score.

This means that photos serve as proof of printability of the desings, while rating system ideally should be a signal for print profile usability. (and in case of mentioned problems where the hotend does zoooom over grid infill it should serve as a motivation to change infill pattern)

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Yeah I had a part which was too big to fit on an a1 mini but wanted a1 mini users to be able to make it.

So for an alternative print profile, I split it and added some joints. I had done this dozens of times before so I KNEW it would work fine. But still printed this just for the photo and to give some confidence to the people printing:

And this is the mountain of prototypes (so far) I have for this particular project, printed in multiple common types of filament to make sure everything fits and works OK.

However, for minor changes - I’ve used a pic from the older version. And for minor variations or different sizes of a thing - just added it to an existing profile to keep it neat and not have to reprint.

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Ah, I gotcha. Yeah I can see that being annoying. I guess if it were me I would not offer to make changes until that were changed.

That’s probably because you didn’t read enough of the description.

Its pretty easy:
V1 is without support and 5 slots.
V2 is with support and 5 slots.
V3 is with support and 6 slots

V2 and V6 have each 3 variants: “Classic”, “Extended”, “Extreme”.

The reason being the following:

  • Initially the tolerance for plates was more than sufficient. “Classic” Version
  • Then Bambu released the new textured plates which were thicker, so I made a corresponding design to accommodate those with enough clearance. “Extended” Version
  • Then another user came by and said, Hey! Whatever-Plate does not fit, could you create more tolerance? Me: Sure! And made the “Extreme” Version.

If one only has normal plates, the “Extreme version” is too lose.
Therefore I just let the user choose (for which I added a Tolerance-tester)

PD: You’re right about V1 though - I could put in on private as it is officially retired (it even says in the description, but maybe one prefers to punch the holes instead of using support - dunno…)

@Josh-3D Nicely written! :+1:t3:

You’re wrong here. I do test all my designs until reaching (almost) perfection!! If it requires 1 or 10 spools, I don’t give a sh… . Because I design everything for me. If you check my profile you’ll see that everything I post is what I personally use or need.
But if one comes along and wants a mod of my design, I sure make prototypes (if necessary) but if not, I don’t print it if I myself don’t need it.

I can assure you - That will never ever happen with one of my models. I test everything until its as perfect as posible. But I do get the point, that must be super frustrating, but for that, check the comment section and reviews because otherwise you’ll never know.

Exactly!

@KYZ_Design Well that looks like an interesting Puzzle. Very cool!!
I might need that! :smiley:

I actually barely read it. Enough to see v1 was retired, and get the gist that there was something different from v2 and v3 that probably warranted both.

I was kind of acting like a typical user. Ohh pretty pictures, let’s print! :sweat_smile: I don’t know why, but I wanted to give an impression of my first impression. I can get overwhelmed visually, easily though, so. My first thought is how can we simplify to make this easier on ourselves, and those that are looking at our stuff.

Granted, you’ve got a good amount of options, so it can be kind of hard to manage it all. I like in the print profiles though that you spend the time to describe everything. From the handy app, it makes it easier. Although if you don’t think to scroll down you miss the description. In general, it’s easy to miss the descriptions in the handy app which can pose challenges.

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I tried my best to simplify but didn’t want to miss out on information either.
It’s pretty hard to find the perfect balance at times…

I do appretierte your critique though as there is always room for improvement and your reaction just dropped gas in the fire XD I will need and see where, how, I can improve. So thank you. I prefer honest comments over nice ones.

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I will from now on check this regularly. Thx a lot

This now begs the question, what happens with models uploaded prior to that decision. One can not constantly be revising all designs. Imagine

would now need to change all profile-pictures of his 687 models. That is not viable. What’s your opinion/understanding in regards?

We’ll see Malc in his final form, and I’m not sure any of us will survive.

I don’t know, to be honest. I know some people have had to deal with those issues, and it’s caused strife for sure.

We’ve discussed before about having more ways to manage larger liberals of models because it can be difficult to edit things across so many models. I don’t know how much Bambu has taken note of those ideas. They do listen to some extent though, as we’ve been able to press them on certain things and got improvements, but there’s others too where we’re still waiting to see if they ever listen.

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This right here is the answer, you only require a photo as evidence of a successful print profile. If you’ve just made a slight modification to a file you don’t need to post an entirely new profile, only the modified STL

You can even add a 3mf to the Other Files section and upload it there but it won’t be published as a profile (that someone could print directly from with the app, for example) I have done this when someone requested a Prusaslicer specific profile for one of my models as opposed to a Bambu Slicer one.

As was also pointed out, this rule is specifically here because users in the past had abused the system to farm downloads. The ones to blame are the people trying to scam others with dodgy profiles.

They only get points if they take your modified STL, make a new profile, then add that profile to your makerworld model page or upload their own as a remix

If they were requesting a custom size for their own needs, for a very specific item, why would they go through the hassle to get a few points? I doubt that random odd sized remix STL you gave them is the next viral hit?

Thank you very much! That’s much needed.

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Another rule the will be highly selectively enforced.

Although like the other used asked I wonder if there will be some grandfathering to it. :thinking:

+1 to that. I have print from Orca, which has more features. They demand I reprint it with Bambu Studio. Bro, I modified it so it won’t fail in Bambu Studio, I don’t need more of this model.
Also, when I upload 2 different profiles - one with hole on top, and another without, asking me to reprint without hole on top too is stupid, I know it will work. And don’t claim it’s the same profile. Mods have been very bad lately

Yep! I feel you…

To not waste an entire spool I had to get a little creative when taking the pictures (I hope you understand where I’m going…)

Even though I had to print 2 models for the pure sake of taking pictures plus another 3 that I might eventually use.

My bad is, that last month I took 2 bins of 3D-printing waste, including many prototypes that would have served as photo-model to the recylcer.

Can you not simply ask the person that wants the changed part to take a picture of their print? then use said pictures to post as an example.

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But you have to post it first for them to print

Yes, No.

That exactly was my plan, to ask users for their permission and use their pictures of the printed models. But that apparently is not allowed either.

The picture has to be your picture. They can of course not know for sure, so there we have a grey-zone. I since asked one user in particular if he could send me some pictures (other than the ones used in his comment) because that model was basically a Reddit request. I was not going to make it public at first, but they insisted. Now I’m the one who has to figure out how to make this somewhat legit.

I will not dismantle my entire shelf, buy/cut wood, print those parts, only to take pictures. If I get another take-down due to the then uploaded pictures I’m going to delete the project and call it a day.

Bambulab is truly interested in making our lives difficult and they don’t care if you’re legit or a criminal. I can tell you, they don’t care if your file is printable, if users have tested, successfully printed it, gave you positive reviewed or else. If you don’t play by their rules and get caught (when randomly picking) they will take your profile down.

They give you an Appeal-button, but I sincerely think that button is just for show, as non of my proof was sufficient enough to get their approval.

I think if the images were directly sourced from the user, rather than copied from a published comment, etc, that would be a non-issue. I would think that report reason would be more about people stealing/faking print profiles and print listings. And if MW did try to take it down, you would have the communications thread to provide to challenge that. After all, the onus is on the print designer to prove that it can be printed, not to actually be the one to take the picture, that would be a silly requirement to try to enforce! Because obviously no-one can hold the camera for you, or can take a picture for you using their phone. :person_facepalming: . Just don’t “steal” someone else’s picture.

Post a link for the model.

This is the model. Along with a lot of photos, I’ve got several videos in there too to give some confidence for the user, including an assembly video and videos of prototype runs.

You had so many parts, I imagine lots of hard work, it deserves to be shared, cheers, I will take a look.

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