H2D Nylon bed adhesion issues

I am a first-time Bambu Lab customer. I purchased a new H2D a few weeks ago. I have had really good luck with PLA, but I am really struggling with nylon.

Example of the problem:

Things I have tried:

drying the filament: I have purchased the AMS HT. I am drying the material for 12-24 hours min at 85C.

filament: I have tried Polymaker Fiberon PA6-CF20. I have also tried Bambu Lab PAHT-CF.

Adhesive: I have tried Vision Miner nano polymer adhesive, Magigoo (MO2016), Magigoo (MPA2019 - for nylon), Bambu Lab liquid glue, glue stick.

Build plate: I have tried both the textured PEI plate and the engineering plate.

I purchased the printer primarily for nylon. I did not expect to struggle so much with getting good adhesion / successful prints.

Any assistance is greatly appreciated.

OK, first up, part geometry has a big role to play here. If you have many walls enabled, you’re increasing the propensity for shrinksge significantly. Long, uninterrupted sections generate more shrink forces than broken sections.

Next, try printing a PETG raft under your PA6 parts. Use the textured plate for that.

There are also better plates for nylon than the ones Bambu sells. Darkmoon sells many specialist plates that would be worth checking out.

I also purchased this machine for this purpose and have struggled with adhesion. It iss the long runs of filament that shrink the most and eventually pull up the corners because the forces have to be balanced somewhere.
The success I have had was mainly down to bed interface surface area optimisation. Reducing the contact area patch dimensions as much as possible, breaking into several smaller contact patches and using ABS as a support material. Maybe even using an ABS raft. I do use adhesive, Magigoo PA seems good, but so does Filaform regular TBH.
I am told a Garolyte plate is the business for PA but have not stumped up for one yet, interested to hear if others have had success with this. Noted that BL dont offer this plate type yet.

FWIW, I just made a part on my H2C with BL PAHT-CF that was flat with a relatively large footprint that also needed high strength (as solid as I could get it). I couldn’t break it up into smaller sections (footprint) due to the requirements, nor apply most other warping mediation techniques. What saved the day in the end for me was a wide brim, increasing the adhesion area. DarkMoon Satin plate, no adhesive, 110°C first layer, 100°C for the rest (default BL PAHT-CF profile otherwise). Preheated chamber and plate. 4 walls & 50% honeycomb fill.

-Max

PS. Oh and make sure printing speeds are all set appropriately for the nylons… most H2 profile speeds are way too high by default (though should be limited by maximum flow rate in filament profile).

The real solution is using a G10 print bed. Nylon bonds to the bed without any adhesives and prevents all warping, when the bed cools down the print pops off the bed. I print a lot of nylon and G10 has been a game changer, just like the Frostbite plate for PLA/PETG/ABS.

If you dont print nylon often enough to warrant a new purchase, the PETG raft mentioned works great as well.

what about the biqu glacier plate? supposedly good for nylon?

its not bad but only for small items. G10 has way more adhesion for any larger or warp prone items.

Double check the temperature of (each part of) the bed. The H2 series bed heater is a bit derpy and does not evenly heat the bed. (I generally add +5 to the temperature in each of the filament profiles).

EDIT I don’t know which Bambu that is. Looks like an A1? But that’s how the H2 heater works. (actually seems big for A1 might be a disassembled H2)

EDIT2 I forget some non-engineers here. The heater is the copper coloured wavey M or W shaped “wire”. Obviously if your print is like 2/3 the length of the bed, the ends will set in the gap where there is no heater.

Put a grid of grooves into the base of the print, that will relieve stress and help to stop warping.

I agree, Cryogrip Glacier is fine for smaller PA parts but for larger parts, G10 with VisionMiner NPA (if needed) is the best combination.

I find the G10 stick so well to PA/PPA/PPS that I have not needed to use nano polymer yet, the adhesion is just amazing.

Thanks for all of the feedback/suggestions.

I have ordered both the G10 plate as well as CFX plat from Darkmoon. I will report back results once I have received and have a chance to test.

There was a comment above regarding max printing speeds. What is the recommended max printing speed for either PA6-CF and/or PAHT-CF?

the newer Kdeavi plates (there is a “new” green one available now) claim to support pa6-cf/gf as well. anybody have any experience with one of those? I understand kdeavi was the oem for frostbyte?

problem.for me is g10 build plates have very high shipping costs.

Depends on the vendor and the formulation. The only way to know for sure is to run a volumetric flow test and use that to cap the max print speed. So for example, say you measure 10mm^3/s max flow. Using a 0.4mm nozzle with 0.45 wall thickness and 0.2mm layer lines, that’s a print speed of roughly 111mm/s (10 / 0.45 / .2)

If the vendor prints on the spool (for example): 50-150 mm/s then I’ll start with 100 and assume an initial max volumetric flow of 9 or 10. If it’s a HF nozzle then maybe 15.

I’ll still though run a volumetric flow test to dial it in better rather than rely on a guess.

Nice choices. https://darkmoon3d.com/pages/darkmoon-cfx-carbon-fiber-build-plate-user-guide has some nylon advice which may be of interest.

I find it odd that DM doesn’t list nylons as being recommended on the G10 plate. :confused:

For BL filaments, all the specs are listed in the TDS documents (at bottom of filament product pages):

PA6-CF: https://store.bblcdn.com/b2abc59ac250492b979a52f1ce3e61b3.pdf
PAHT-CF: https://store.bblcdn.com/7166b20bc68f4c87b32c972b856eeb4b.pdf

-Max

You might want to read this thread before deciding on G10 plate.

TLDR: The German IDE is superior to the Darkmoon.