@ExtremeElementz I clean the plate with ipa, dab a bunch of glue across the plate, spread glue evenly with clean finger. Then i move my next few prints around until the glue is all used up and repeat. Only for asa which i print alot of.the glue will make the color change slightly lighter and youll notice the spots under each print will be darker. Thats how you tell when you need more glue.
Dont use the bed heat to dry the glue. It will evaporate and coat the inside of the printer. Youll really notice it on upper portions of the glass.
Dont apply glue onto a bed that alreafy has glue. You will create high points where the glue overlaps. Just place prints on areas that still have glue.
I wanted one more “parameters change test” and well another fail. No I didn’t use glue but this is the furthest it’s ever gotten. No settings matter Bambu. Smh. At this point I’ve proven Bambu never tested ASA on a P1S. Unfortunate.
- Preheated chamber for 46 minutes
- First layer speed 25mm/s
- First layer height .25mm
- Bed Temp 100c
- Keep Fan always on turned off
- Max Fan Speed 20%
- Fan speed for overhangs 40%
So yes Glue Stick Testing Starts Next
I also have problems with the textured pei plate at ASA. I now use the engineering plate with liquid glue.
What speeds in particular if you don’t mind sharing? Trying to dial in that PolyLite on my X1C.
I think the engineering plate with liquid glue provides a good surface for ASA.
What smooth PEI plate do you use for this? Engineering plate? Do you use the glue stock or the liquid glue?
Thanks for the pointers!
I hope Bambu can update any information they have about ASA working on the textured build plate without glue. I was never able to get Bambu ASA to stay put on the Dual Textured PEI sheet with my P1PS via changing any parameters to improve adhesion.
The photos listed below are with the stock and I mean bone stock Bambu ASA Profile crazy fan speeds and all. I didn’t change first layer speed or first layer height, heck I didn’t even preheat the chamber or up the bed temp (which I will in the future a tad) I just used Bambu’s included Liquid Glue…
You mean to tell me Bambu that if I just applied this to the sheet originally even though you said it’s not needed I could have avoided all of this?!
As you can see with the yellow rectangle, I’m assuming started to warp a tad but I can fix that with raising the bed temps, preheating the chamber and printing the first layer a tad slower but the darn thing stuck the whole way! I’m super happy now that I can worry about other things with this filament.
Bambu update your information. Liquid Glue required for Bambu ASA on the Black Dual Textured PEI sheet on a P1PS/P1S (maybe other ASA too)
Congrats on the successful print!
You may want to add some links to the Bambu pages that say not to use glue with ASA so they know where to find them. Everywhere I’ve looked it does indeed say to use liquid glue or glue stick.
Bambu Textured PEI Plate
Bambu Dual-Sided Textured PEI Plate
My thought process was clouded for sure, as I had just dialed in my ABS using a generic profile and seeing that ASA is pretty much ABS but better overall. Not using glue on ABS I assumed ASA would be the same during the first print it failed almost immediately. I looked at temps and saw they only wanted 90c for the bed, so I raised it to 100c and fail. So then I loaded up their site and went to the website listed above and saw glue isn’t required so I figured it must be the profile. So more testing and tuning and complaining lol… kept failing so I went and looked at their filament guide and saw they were listing glue stick and liquid glue for almost everything including PLA (which doesn’t need glue ever in my experience with both textured and smooth PEI’s on multiple printers) so I guessed this was them saying “It’s compatible” more than a requirement.
Checking the actual Bambu ASA page again listing both glue stick and liquid glue I took it as “it’s compatible” again… at the end of the day there was a little bit of my ignorance and assumption. But if Bambu would have said Liquid Glue is absolutely required on the textured PEI plate I would have done that the first attempt.
To be honest with you I am glad that this happened to me overall because it forced me to use an adhesion modifier that I was 100% against as I have never used one nor did I want to on any of my printers. Printing ABS, PETG, PLA and not once have I needed to use an adhesion modifier. LOL I don’t even know what I was worried about, I think somehow I thought I was going to damage the surface of the print or cause a more rapid degradation to the print surface plate.
At the end of the day I learned something and hopefully someone can benefit from my experience and know what to do going forward on how important the liquid glue is and not to be worried to use it.
Bambu update your darn plate tables! Please! LOL
I agree Bambu needs to clean up the contradictory info across their website on the use of glue.
I too had never used glue coming from a Creality that I only used PLA and PETG on. After struggling with getting ASA to stick I broke down and tried the glue and was pleasantly surprised how easy and non messy/sticky it was. I now have several build plates and one is reserved for ASA/ABS with glue on it. I only wash and reapply glue every 20 prints or so.
Also a word of warning. I ruined one of my smooth PEI surfaces by printing a large ASA print on it without glue and left it overnight. When I pulled it off in the morning chunks of the PEI plate came with it.
Great information about the glue, question where the print was removed should I be applying glue to that specific location or is it good to keep printing in that area?
I do think I will be picking up an engineering plate soon and turning it into the ABS/ASA glue plate. It will just be nice to have another plate to swap out quickly instead of worrying about maintenance before changing to a different type of filament.
I did end up washing the plate after the print was done because I didn’t know if it would still be good to use if I wasn’t going to start another print for 24+ hours. Would the glue dry and lose its ability to adhere to the next print? idk
Just place the next part on a different area of the bed until you cant do that anymore. Then clean and reapply
Sounds simple enough thanks!
Get yourself some 3dlac. Much better than glue.
@ExtremeElementz Fyi, with the engineering plate, I dont need glue. But it gets damaged over time with the high heat and i dont see a replacement sheet on bambu website. In the near future im going to order the high temp plate just for ASA and nylon. I never use ABS
That’s good to know, right now
I’m just using the free liquid glue that was included with my printer.
ABS/ASA → no glue : ali is your friend…
Have done 4 ABS prints, no glue, no problem with the gold textured PEI plate. Plan on giving ASA a try this weekend. Will post what happens with no glue.
Yeah I dialed in ABS without glue on the Black Dual Textured PEI plate no problem. But this ASA for whatever reason needed the liquid glue.
I would be curious if you could try the standard ASA profile stock without any changes and see what happens assuming you have a P1S that is. Would be even better if you had Bambu’s ASA as it prints with higher accelerations and volumetric speed of 18mm/s compared to the generic profile which is only 12mm/s.
I had a taller print fail tonight attempting to print after an 1.5hr print in an unused glue location on the plate. So somewhat back to the drawing board. But still happy with the results, I was seeing the brim on the 1.5hr print ever so slightly start lifting but it stayed planted.
I have heard that the gold plate performs better with ASA than the black plate. Eager to hear your findings.
I typically run PolyLite ASA 70-100 mm/s. You can run faster than 100 mm/s but I find this has a very noticeable negative affect on strength and layer adhesion. If its a decorative outdoor part, I will typically run 120-150.
Thats my personal practice.