Interpreting Max Volumetric Speed test

So for my next question involving filament calibration, I come to the Max Volumetric Speed test found in OrcaSlicer. I started with the guide found here in this forum (PSA: START HERE! Calibration made SIMPLE) which eventually led me to the guide at SoftFever (Calibration)

I’ve run the MVS test and taken images of the samples.

Both are PLA Basic, 0.4mm nozzle. You can see that there are two regions of sheen transition. One near the bottom going from glossy to matte, and another toward the top going from matte back to glossy. The documentation says to note where there is a sheen transition, but seem to conflict. The SoftFever article says, “pay attention to changes from matte to shiny as well”.

So I just want to get it right, which transition is the right one to watch for? I added three green lines to the image showing where I see the changes in sheen, but also one in the middle where printing defects started.

Other articles have noted to be careful of layer adhesion issues if you go too fast, as things aren’t given a chance to weld together. To that end I started doing a flex strain test where I bend the part back and forth, parallel to the layers, and see where it fails. I use that as the limit of where to measure.

So please, give me any thoughts you might have, or feedback on if I have something wrong or misunderstood. Thanks!

Don’t overthink this. There is a simpler guide to using the Orca MVA calibration tool. Visit this video. Start the video at 1:30 and by 2:45 you will know everything that needs to be known on the topic of max flowrate.

Like I said, don’t overthink this.

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Thanks for the feedback and the link Olias. The problem I have been running into is there’s a lot of information on HOW to do calibrations, but not very detailed examples of WHAT you’re looking for. I mean, there are some in some of the tests like PA and the line or pattern tests (your linked video included). Sometimes they’ll only say a sentence or two. I mean, I try to look around and read as much as possible, but eventually I have to come ask the question from the community.

So again, thank you!

Well, if it helps. Using your image, here is the feedback I might offer. What you’ll find in filament calibration is that it is not absolute but rather a sliding scale. So at the bottom of your image, if you let’s say had 10mm from the bottom using the defaults:
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What that would mean is that 5mm + (10mm * 0.5) where 10mm is what was measured from the bottom, this would give you a max flow rate of 15mm. What I tend to do is go about 10% less so in this case I would round up for a value of 15-2mm=13. Which is what I would put in my filament profile.

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No, it helps a lot. It confirms much of what I speculated, and that’s what I was looking for.

Take a look at the picture with the broken strips. There were 3 separations indicating weak layer strength, so I use the lowest one as my limit value. Which puts it dead center(ish) between the two the low and mid boundaries. That came out to be 14.5, which is 5% less.

Really appreciate your feedback! I shall have to owe you a beverage!

And I assume these all revolve around a fixed nozzle temp too? A different temp mean all new calibrations?

Yes, that is correct. Also, it may be noteworthy that there is a temp color scheme in the slicer and one would be forgiven for having not noticed it because you have to drop the menu down and scroll to the bottom. However, I’ve only seen that evident in the temp tower but it is a useful holdover from the Cura code which Bambu Studio and Orca are forked from.

A similar tool in the same drop down is available for speed and flow rate.

In all candor, I am not sure how useful these are, aside from providing a good visual confirmation that the correct Gcode is loaded. A great example is generating a test pattern, or as I’ve seen countless times on this forum, loading a test model from the Internet. The model is useless unless the appropriate Gcode for speed, volume, etc., is modified. However, this is not mentioned on the websites that host these models because it’s assumed the person is already familiar with the process. This is where Orca stands out—it handles the Gcode manipulation.

Here’s an example: If I set up a Max Flowrate model and mistakenly believe that all my settings, including the Gcode, are saved, here’s what happens upon reload—the Gcode modifications are eliminated.

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Caution: Important tip. Do not make the mistake I made for far too long

I want to share a hard-learned lesson with the community: I mistakenly thought I was saving my calibrations, but in reality, I was corrupting my profiles by saving
the ‘Test Profile’ modifications over the profile I wanted to modify. It was bewildering why I seemed to be getting random results.

Here’s a tip I learned from Len Drizzles’ Filament Friday channel on YouTube that solved that mystery. When running calibrations, always start a new project before saving values. Enter the modifications from your calibration in a freshly loaded session, then and only them you can save your filament profile. Then repeat the load of a new project again and verify that your filament settings stuck. Use CTRL-N hotkey to quickly start a new project—no need to save when the slicer asks.

This is important because Orca drastically changes settings during calibration to test extremes in the Gcode. If you haven’t noticed, here’s what to watch for.


The asterisk (*) and orange-highlighted areas indicate unsaved changes. To view these changes, click on them. After running a calibration, don’t save the test profile. Use CTRL-N to reload the default profile. From there, you can safely make changes and save your adjustments.

For example, below are some of the changes from a pressure advance test that you don’t want to permanently save in your profiles(noted in orange). Although those modification made by Orca were needed for the calibration, you definitely don’t want them saved in your profile especially since the only modification for this test is Pressure Advance.

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As ever, thanks for the fantastic input, and more importantly your patience! I am feeling a LOT more comfortable in what the calibrations do, and what to look for. I jumped into this hobby after it had been maturing for several years, so I fortunately haven’t had to experience all the pain the veteran’s have, and for that you also have my respect. Bambu Labs really seems to have changed the level of knowledge required to enter into the 3DP arena.

Again, thanks.

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