Is drying function on (new) AMS HT working correctly

Newbie question: Just bought an AMS HT (to go with a month-old P2S and AMS 2 Pro). Mostly to try to print with TPU using the new TPU Assist module which I just installed. Anyway, in prep for my first TPU print I opened up a fresh pack of Bambu 90A TPU and immediately put it in the HT to dry it using the recommended TPU setting for 18 hours. According to the HT panel, at start the RH was 36% at 22C. After about 30 minutes I noticed the RH was at 14% and the temp at 75C. Now after over 16 hours of drying the RH is 13% at 75C. That seems like a miniscule drop in RH for that many hours of drying. In fact, RH of 13% at 75C would be over 100% RH at room temperature (by my calculations). The RH in the room (at 22C) is 45%. So either the new spool of TPU was really wet to begin with (right out of the packaging?) or something is wrong with the HT and it’s not drying effectively for some reason.

For comparison sake, I put the AMS Pro 2 in drying mode (with 4 rolls of new PETG) and it drove the RH down to 6% at 22C in a little over 8 hours.

Any thoughts on this? Is this normal with TPU and the HT? I’m very new at this, but something just doesn’t seem right. Thanks for any help.

Hi Kenton, a few things to consider (before throwing the HT under the bus)…

This could be normal… The only way the RH inside the HT is really going to drop is with the desiccant in there sucking out moisture. The filament may still be releasing moisture, which is the point, and that air is being exchanged with the outside air and in theory being removed, but in exchange it’s just sucking in ambient air. And with the rather minuscule amount of desiccant in the HT, only so much moisture can be removed before the air is exchanged. In contrast, the large AMS units can hold a lot of desiccant, especially if one adds extra storage bins.

Getting extra desiccant into the HT, eg. in a container mounted in the center of the spool being dried, can definitely help.

The filament could already have been dry, or as dry as the HT will ever get it in the current environment, so there’s not going to be any observable RH change.

Now for the issues… folks here have posted varying experiences with the HT, so definitely YMMV (there are threads on here worth reading). Personally I gave up on the HT as a dryer, but I’m trying not to let that influence my advice too much.

One thing reported is the inaccuracy of the humidity sensor, which for at least some folks reads high (possibly due to its position within the unit, sometimes due to packing tape still being left during assembly, covering the sensor… lol). The humidity towards the back of the unit also tends to be lower (where the exhaust vent and desiccant packets are).

Another thing is the venting itself, which may not be entirely effective. For example myself and others have better results if we briefly opened the HT once in a while to release trapped moisture… the humidity reading can drop several percent in some cases (then slowly build back up). The vents themselves have also known to fail or be defective (and not open/close correctly), which should and in most cases does throw an error at you, but apparently not always (can be visually checked).

So is the filament getting dried? IMHO the simplest and most direct way to check is to print with it. Another common measure besides monitoring environmental RH is to weigh the spool (on a scale with at least 1g resolution) before drying and then compare to weight after/during drying. It’s still a relative metric (doesn’t tell you how much moisture is actually in there), but in theory once it stops loosing weight then it’s as dry as the drying solution can get it. That doesn’t measure ultimately how effective the drying was, but it’s something, and quick to do.

HTH,
-Max

That confuses a lot of people. In a running dryer you are really looking at a process and not a static equilibrium.

Water is on the move. It’s leaving the filament to enter the air and then the dryer is trying to move it outside of the dryer. The humidity reading is a result of the two processes competing. More water comes off the filament than the dryer eliminates and the humidity goes up. When the dryer can move more water out, the humidity drops.

It’s also confusing because if the dryer is doing well and removing lots of water the humidity can seem artificially low and people can think the spool is dry when all that has happened is water is coming off slower than it’s being removed.

Hopefully that makes sense but in sealed storage you can see equilibrium in static systems but in dryers it’s dynamic and more complicated.