Is Ecoflow Delta 2 worth the money?

I found the article that I had referenced earlier:

The Ecoflow Delta 2 that they tested seemed to have a pretty long transfer time, comparatively speaking.

It’s a useful read, because it gets into the nuances. As it demonstrates, there’s more to it than what you might imagine. I like how they provide a baseline of what they claim is one of the best UPS’s on the market for comparison.

The article is from a year ago. Judging from the specs on the Delta 3 Pro, I would expect it would perform better.

If brownout is the issue of concern, though, that $13 widget you posted might be all you need to retrofit a workable brownout configuration, especially if you’re already saddled with a somewhat marginal UPS. I mean, the concept seems easy enough, which is a good start. Whether they executed on the concept well is another matter. Maybe someone somewhere has given it adequate scrutiny to better judge the matter.

I hope that helps! You now know as much, or more, than I do. :innocent:

Thanks for the info. That’s a good read if I’m an electrical engineer lol.

Portable power station is a fairly new product, its primary function is to provide portable power as a giant batter bank. UPS functionality seems to be an after thought, at least as now.

Computers/Servers tests aren’t dealing with step motors as 3D printers do. I don’t know if those tests can be applied to 3D printers. Most of them are simulating blackout, not brownout.

My 10 years old APC UPS fried my old laptop during a brownout, I know for sure older APC UPS don’t have brownout protection.

In any case, I picked up a Bluetti ac180 yesterday along with couple of brownout protectors.

EcoFlow lose out my money because it’s questionable support. They reply quick but not answering a simple question and dragging its feet is a red flag.

I use an Ecoflow delta 1 to run a 350 watt (nominal) bed slinger at shows and easily managed 6 hours almost continuous use. Last time it was in a marquee at around 24 Deg ambient and I finished with 10% juice remaining. I guess a colder ambient would use more juice though.

After more than a week of emails with EcoFlow about the brownout, it is still dragging its feet and not answering the question of brownout detection.

It suggests only use one P series with Delta 2, a “1800W” unit. So, 1800W rating is marketing BS?

This is definitely a company to avoid.

This particular protector doesn’t work for UPS, at least it doesn’t work fast enough. My place had a brief voltage fluctuation that triggered the dedicated computer UPS into backup mode and woke up Delta 2 (not printing at the time). But the surge protector didn’t cut off the power as it should have.

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I have the Anker 767, I have 2 because the 1st one wasn’t charging well from solar so they sent me a second one. Not gonna complain. But both will charge from the grid and they will switch from battery to grid or back or form solar… and not mess up my printers. My house is old and the power here is really bad so I went solar to run my stuff reliably and safely… I’m also addicted to taking power from the sky.
I tried Ecoflow fist with a few little systems and found the same CS issues as you. They sent me used stuff with missing parts and were so slow to send the RMA and refund, so I went with Anker.
I still will suggest making your own system if you have the skill or courage because these all-in-one systems get a little iffy with their claims.

How well does it handle brownouts though? That’s his big concern.

If failure on brownouts is the primary concern, then look for (or build) a double-conversion system, because that should be 100% guaranteed not to be adversely affected. For anything else that’s consumer facing, who knows? Even the testing I did with a variable transformer may not adequately simulate some arbitrary brownout waveform coming down your power line that might theoretically befuddle some other equipment.

I’m looking at the big blackfriday discounts today on eccoflow and noticing that the Delta Pro Ultra allegedly has 0ms delay in cutting over. Hook it up to their smart panel, and you’re golden.

If you are at all electrically inclined, lifep04 batteries have fallen to about $100/kwh and a 7kw inverter must be under $1000. So you are paying a lot for that unit’s fancy case.

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Yeah, something I had neglected to consider previously was the amount of watts lost while idling if the AC inverter is turned on. Most often, the larger the inverter, the larger the waste. Victron does make a family of inverters that have very low idle power losses (some as little as 1 watt), and so the advantage of a DIY is that you can pick one of the highly efficient Victron inverters to go with it. Unfortunately, none of the typical power station vendors publish their standby powerloss numbers, and very few people think to measure it, so it goes largely unreported.

Ecoflow’s new river 3 plus looks interesting. It has a 10ms transfer switching time, and it can also plug into a computer via USB to tell the computer to power down, just like a real UPS can. Presently a $209 promotion on amazon, including a free 40w solar panel, or the same price without the solar panel. It can run up to 600w continuous with a 1200w surge capability. It’s a little more expensive than the Anker C300, but for that small amount extra it’s a lot more capable. I ordered a couple yesterday, and if anyone is interested I’ll measure the idle wattage after they arrive and report back.

@designrama One way you could maybe still get some use out of your Delta 2 for running your Bambu: assuming the River 3 Plus doesn’t have the same problem, you could maybe power a River 3 Plus from your Delta 2, since the River 3 Plus has pass-through AC and a <10ms switching time. The only advantage to this approach over using just a River 3 Plus standalone is that you’d get extra run time while the Delta 2 ran itself down to zero if it were a blackout rather than a brownout, but at least that’s something if you have no other use for your Delta 2.

The idle losses on the River 3 Plus appear to be quite a lot lower, and costs a lot less, so in those respects it beats the Delta 3 Plus. What it lacks is the battery capacity, though you can add either a 300wh or 600wh battery to it… or go Frankenstein by kludging in your old Delta 2 to give it purpose. Or feed it from just a regular lifepo4 battery, which are now around $1/ah (dirt cheap) through the solar charging input.

Anyway, exciting times. lifepo4 battery prices are in total freefall, ignoring tariffs. About half what they were a year ago.

You mean like daisy chain? I don’t know if that’s a good idea or not…Anyway, that wouldn’t work with my setup, which is two power stations power 3 printers each.

Another thing I’ve noticed about Delta 2 is that when idling over 24hours or so, its capacity would drops to 99% and uses about 1kw for 5 minutes + to recharge it. I don’t know if all power stations do this, it seems like waste of electricity.

BTW, Ecoflow has finally offered me an exchange. I just need to find a box and packing materials for the return.

You’re hinting at what I think is one of the most important specs in a power station, and yet largely unreported and nearly impossible to discover without buying one and testing it yourself. Basically: how much power does it consume with the inverter turned on but at zero load? Some are worse than others, and some are downright terrible. For instance, I did my own rough-and-ready measurements on both the ecoflow river 3 plus and on the Dgi Power 1000. With no AC load but with the inverter turned on, the river 3 plus consumes around 5-6 watts. Compared to most power stations, I’d rate that pretty good. Assuming it charged beforehand to its full 286wh capacity, that means it will drain itself down to zero capacity in around 50ish hours doing effectively nothing. Why is this worth knowing? Well, I figure any load it might support would be subtracting from that number, which is the baseline overhead.

For the DGI, though, it’s far worse: I measured its overhead at a constant 35w, which quickly adds up. In the same scenario, doing the same amount of nothing, it will flatline is about 29 hours, even though it has a 1024wh battery (or about 3-4x of what the river 3 plus has).

Who cares? Well, if you’re using it to run a refrigerator or a gas furnace, for example, which may be running on average, say, around 10 to 20 minutes out of any given hour, all that overhead severely cuts into how long you can run it. This latest generation ecoflow appears to have some self-scheduling abilty, which might allow you to automatically turn the inverter on and off according to a schedule, to avoid that waste, but I haven’t yet done that experiment, so I can’t say for sure.

As you probably already know (but I’m mentioning for the benefit of any other readers who may not), this fits a larger pattern, which is that, in general, the bigger the inverter, the bigger the overhead. For this reason, one should want to avoid big inverters, unless you really have a need that requires it. Of course, it probably doesn’t matter if it’s just a 3D printer UPS, but, at least for me, anything I buy has a secondary purpose as emergency backup, like for what those poor devils experienced with Hurricane Francis in September 2024. Hurricane, tornado, earthquake, polar vortex, whatever. When those happen, even if you have electric generators, you probably only have so much reserve energy, and maybe can’t get more, so you want whatever you happen to have on hand to last as long as possible.

Everyone seems to agree that the Victron inverters have the least overhead, which can be as little as 1 watt on the smallest Victron inverter running an economy mode. If anyone reading this knows of an even more efficient brand than Victron, please do post.

By the way, maybe most important of all: how did you get Ecoflow to offer you an exchange?

By explaining the same thing to the support 10+ times. It shouldn’t be this hard and they still didn’t answer about rather Delta 2 has a brownout detector.

@designrama By chance I happened to run across this:

which is maybe a step closer to what you want, because it has a trimpot that would allow you to dial-in how much of a voltage drop you’re willing to tolerate before it takes the circuit offline.

I can’t say whether or not it would react fast enough to meet your purpose or not, but if not, probably someone makes a similar thing that would, using SSR’s or similar.

Also, an entire category of line voltage monitors that could be set for detecting the error condition you want and then reacting accordingly:

while avoiding short-cycling.

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EcoFlow support says Delta2 shouldn’t be crashing 3D printers in a brownout. But they never clearly answered the question about if Delta2 has a built-in brownout detector or not, despite that I’ve pressed on the question many times. We’ll see how the replacement unit does. :crossed_fingers:

Well, my Delta 2 died before I could return it for exchange. It has not being used and just idling while connecting to the grid for the last few weeks. I thought it was in the sleep mode, but apparently it’s just dead.

Display and app show it’s fully charged, but AD, DC, USB mode wouldn’t stay on. After unplugging it from the grid, Delta 2 would turn itself off after powering up. Even though display show 100% charge. So it can’t even be used for its main purpose, a portable battery.

What are the specs on the Ecoflow as far as sagging/droop voltage. There is quite a bit of variability in home hardware voltage requirements.
For example your refrigerator and your computer both use 110V power (assuming you live in US but same in EU, other than Voltage numbers being different.
I’ve never looked for the +/- voltage values for my P1S and what it can tolerate before shutting down.
Are you coming out of wall power direct to printer with UPS because the UPS is going to try to support everything on that circuit including lights, clocks, TV, etc.

I don’t know the voltage specs. Bambu Lab was selling Delta2 bundles for a brief period, I assumed BL have tested Delta2 with its printers.

My Delta2 was used as a dedicated UPS for three 3D printers only.