Is the future already here and we missed it?

With all this nonsense about digital- and design rights messing up the 3D printing (hardware) world I thought I go and check what these companies provide in the form of patents.
Never thought there could be so many patents for something as basic as a hotend LOL
But then the unthinkable happened - the famous search engine with the double O in the middle provided me some unrelated results…

Keep reading if you feel really bored today...

As you might be aware the UK and especially the US patent offices are VERY strict when it comes to nonsense and inventions violating our laws of physics.
So you SHOULD not find things like perpetual motion machines or anti-gravity-devices with a patent.
But I got just these as some random search results for 3D printing patents…
Weird ?
Not as weird as actually checking some of them and then actively looking for more of the same.

The first hit I got when directly searching for the impossible was a Chinese patent - go figure.
Comes with the patent number/ID CN101958671A and describes an apparatus capable of space flight using gravity and anti-gravity mechanisms/technology.
The funny thing about this patent is that is literally identically to several machines we can find online that came with the same anti-gravity claims but got ridiculed for decades.
Second hit was something that stunned me because it not only was a US patent but because of WHO applied for it.
Patent US10144532B2 is for an anti-gravity powered craft - one that was rumoured to exists for several long years before the patent was files.
Spotted numerous times over the US AND other countries alike but the US military denied any knowledge - still does LOL

There is actually a scary amount of patent filed by the US military that all fall into the impossible category if we would trust general science and our understanding of it.
And China ??? Lets just say I am surprised they have not taken Gene Roddenberry to court over patent violations.
Anti-gravity devices, FTL devices (faster than light), Energy beam devices (to not say weapons) that are neither laser- nor plasma based and the list keeps going…
Why would a patent office accept applications for scientific nonsense unless it isn’t nonsense ???
And if something can’t exist based on science then how come it is long out there and being used by the military?
If that isn’t concerning enough than do not try to find patents in regards to time manipulating devices…

Of course none of this is really a surprise considering how we collected UFO’s and other crashed or shot down things for hundreds of years already.
And we all know how these things always end with the military and their affiliated corporations.
More things than you can imagine came to be not because WE invented them but simply because we study them long and hard enough to somehow replicate the technology.
No one ever cared and some say it is best this way.
What though about all those inventors and their inventions in those areas that kept vanishing for so many decades?
We know their devices worked because they have been observed many times before these people disappeared.
Were they ‘volunteered’ to work for a military or government in secrecy or … ?

If some of the things we claim are impossible because they violated our laws of physics and actually quite possible, then what about the rest ???
That’s were things like QBITS, Quantum entanglement and daulity come into play.
Some claim quantum computers are so impossibly fast because they compute in many universes/realities at the same time.
If this quantum computer exists here then chances are it also exists in a ton of other realities and quantum entanglement means they all work together.
We ignore the problem that our quantum computer should be seen at times doing things we did not make it do because it computes a problem from a different reality - the scientists coming up with those theories do the same LOL
Ever tried to find a video or other meaningful stuff that explain how Google and other companies produce their quantum chips ? Nope…
We also want to use photons for our next generation of ‘normal’ computers as we reached the limit with transistors once they shrunk down to single atom transistors.
So, literally everything we once declared impossible and a violation of something is now worked on already.

We know from the past how invention for space exploration or our military reached the general public.
For minor things it was a delay of about 8 to 10 years until the first consumer based products showed up -like velcro back in the day.
For more technological things we were looking at 15 to 20 years already.
And well, some inventions never made it and will never make it to the general public.
What are the implications here ?

Ignore the existence and use of what we teach our kids in school is impossible…
Here is my proposal:
Einstein was (intentionally) wrong when he gave us his theory of relativity and with that the statement that E equals MC squared - His mate Tesla though had it right all along :wink:
Our laws of physics are not just flawed and incomplete, they are plain wrong !
Our base for them is already wrong because we got it all through observation - while ignoring what we can’t see, what we could not measure …
Back to EMC > IF Einstein would have made clear that the sum of ALL energy equals the ENTIRE MASS based on its energy potential his theory would have more real.
If he then would have made clear the the speed of light isn’t fixed and in fact NOT the fastest something can travel we wouldn’t have been stuck with the nonsense for so long.
Mass is energy, time is energy and gravity is not caused by mass alone as gravity is factor of energy.
All we ever did in our ultimate ignorance was nonsense like saying just because the apple was a weight we can measure and because it falls down that gravity is responsible for the fall.
The energy of the apple was simplified by just using the weight, which of course is only what it is with our level of gravity - different on the moon for example.
By treating everything as energy we no longer have to follow the flawed laws of physics - we can take shortcuts.
And that’s what the impossible is all about - making sure no one dares to question our laws of physics and why we refuse to correct them.

You don’t think so ?
Fair enough but then please go and check what Albert Einstein had to say when the first nuclear bomb tested produced far more energy than what he calculated :slight_smile:
Ever since we have been fooled.
Nuclear reactors are still nothing more than fancy steam turbines, only the fuel has changed.
Electric cars were actually our first cars made but we fell for the super rich and super influential oil maffia and went with the internal combustion engine.
And so we lost over 100 years of electric motor and battery development because no one saw any need for it.
Solar cells/panels to generate electricity from the sun could have been a standard on our homes, factories and empty fields since the late 50’s - but we made sure no one invests too much into those ideas to make sure our energy monopolies won’t fall.
Thing is that all these alternative energy solutions are based on FINITE resources and that for a long time their price is controlled through investors.
At best we can keep going the solar and wind route for another 15 to 20 years until we struggle to justify their costs.
And despite being FINITE we still refuse to consider recycling these rare earth metals and minerals - why do you think that is ??? :wink:
It is because we knew before we even made everyone pay for it that we won’t need this technology at all.
Our growing need for electricity is an artificial one because we driven to do more and more with only electricity and batteries.
When the demand finally outruns what we can provide and we can no longer bleed out the consumer for more money, only then we will finally move forward.
Then the next gen technologies will suddenly pop out of nowhere - after government paid insane amounts of money to make it happen.
Funny thing is that all those new things we claim are still another 50 years away are already being used but our militaries and their secret government sections.
Do you really think they would use some craft that ‘flies’ because it uses a gravitational displacement drive with a freaking diesel generator on board?
Or risk using a nuclear battery/reactor blow up if a prototype crashes ? LOL
Once you worked out that gravity is just a factor of energies it really does not take much more to find a factor you CAN influence.
With that you can already do incredible things that would be impossible for any other type of craft.
It also opens the door for so much more…
Gravity as we define it is basically the same thing that keeps atoms and molecules together, just a slightly different variation of the same forces.
Or, if you prefer the result of these combined forces that make all physical things in the observable universe.
Fusion reactors, especially the so called cold fusion reactors are already in use.
Without them those impossible crafts would not possible to get the energy they require.
Which brings me to the final nail in our coffin of secrets…

WHY do we still rely so badly on WIRED electricity ?
Sure, Tesla came to the rescue and gave us all we need to our modern life - AC electricity, wireless communication and more…
Electricity though is ‘just’ a medium and not really an ideal one as we need to contain it in wires to make use of it.
We use it because it is convenient and back in the day it was cheap to accomplish.
We based everything else on it, even our computer tech and electronics - all done by electricity flowing and being switched on and off.
Ever wondered how a world without electricity would be like ?
Your great grand kids might see the start of it already…

There might be some now saying that none of this would be possible with someone pulling the strings in the background.
And for obvious reasons those non-existing, fictional societies like the Vril, Illuminati or things like the founding families come to mind…
But did you ever venture into the areas of magic and checked how those tales came to be?
Like how e keep finding statements like “If you know the true name of something you can control it!”.
Or that all it takes is some magical wand and some spoken spellwork to make entire mountain crumble…
Isn’t that a bit like you or me trying to explain to a cave man how a smart speaker works ? :wink:
Or how a someone controls huge mining equipment with a tiny joystick and a few buttons?..
If YOU would know how easy it can be to manipulate gravity you would certainly experiment with it…
What do you think science and technology would look like today if we would not have lost over 800 years to the dark ages where blind faith made science impossible ?
What do you think where we would be today if not religious wars and the never ending need to control everyone would have resulted in the destruction of ALL our ancient libraries ?
First it was religion, then kings, later governments that made sure we, humanity as a whole, will not make progress as we should.
Today it is corporations working hand in hand with governments on the still same goal.
Keep it all a secret until it either blows or someone else figures it out independently, the and only then you can admit you had it all along and used it for your own advantage…
The future already went right past us without us even knowing LOL
Just go and check those patents out there and we all know that patents are only there to show off and make sure your invention is protected for a few years…

I read all of it, I appreciate the effort, I am no longer bored :slight_smile:
NB this is a huge rabbit hole.

There’s a reason nobody is suing Gene Roddenberry. :grin:

There’s been some news about “kayfabe” recently but what it’s about are perceptions of reality where things are not actually real. It’s thought to be carney-speak for fake/beware.

Anyway, the interwebs have allowed many with no expertise to masquerade like those who do and a lot in internet audiences aren’t able to tell reality from nonsense, yet people get followings, algorithms help spread the nonsense, and soon people think there are secret perpetual motion machines, secret alien space technologies, new elements with amazing properties, etc.

I had a good professional friend who fell for perpetual motion and free energy. They ended up losing I’m not sure how much money, and got in trouble legally, I believe they lost their job, and ended up dropping out of their previous life. The last I saw of them was a public apology which may even have been court ordered. I don’t know. E-mails weren’t returned.

There’s a reason this stuff is “secret” or mysterious and not “known” outside of essentially anonymous internet groups. All this amazing stuff curiously kept from the citizens. There’s a lot of people keeping some big secrets, apparently.

I’m not saying there aren’t big things possible or secret, but I’m curious if you actually read those patents and if they actually are concerning anti-gravity. Since you put all that out there, where is the proof? What documentation can you provide? What validation have you personally done? I’m not trying to attack you. I’m just asking since you put all those magical things out there, how do you know any of it is true? I mean down to patent office rules and up?

All this stuff that gets made up and pushed out without any evidence feeds misinformation. It erodes societies. It fuels conspiracies and distrust.

The real world is bad enough without feeding the things that are ruining the value of the internet.

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I may not always agree with @MZip (I often do though), but, boy, can he paragraph!

Just look at that formatting.

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Now you guys are speaking my language. I think this is as good a place as any to throw out my idea for new anti-vibration feet using 4 Mag-lev kits. If this works the way I hope it does I’m going to buy 4 more for my car…

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Yes, this is what is needed.
Clearly the vibration is having an impact - I like the humming sound :slight_smile:

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Yep. Definitely the humming part needs to be worked out some more.

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If anyone is interested, that Chinese antigravity patent actually does appear to exist - sort of.

The patent was submitted by an individual 4/8/2010, approved as meeting some kind of formatting requirements 9/21/2011, and withdrawn 12/4/2013.

It’s not a real patent. It was submitted, determined that yep, the author could indeed color inside the lines, and subsequently withdrawn. Never granted an actual patent. So like OP said, they don’t patent bs over there.

Apparently they do not.

If you read the English translation it’s total nonsense. Worth a read if you are into “hectovolts” (hundreds - yes hundreds - of volts) that pass through living quarters of spaceships to move them around the galaxy using electron polarities in outer shell electrons or some kind of nonsense. But maybe it’s just a bad translation? I don’t read Chinese to see it in its original glory.

I saw Bugs Bunny and Marvin the Martian put on their anti gravity boots 50 years ago so that means there is a coverup! Holy moley!

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Sure the web is flooded with bogus but what about those US Navy patents that were granted or patents from other branches of the US military ?
I mean, the dam ‘plane’ is already flying and seen by people, so what more verification would be required for this one…

The thing isn’t really what is out there in the form of hoaxes and scams, they are easy enough to spot anyway these days as it is always the same old.
What I find stunning is how much is already in use, patented and produced that we don’t even know about…
With the US now flying their own UFO’s or as they prefer UAP’s how can we tell them apart from the ones claimed to be from outer space ? Just wondering LOL

If misinformation and hoaxes are that easy to spot, why were you including them in your posts? Why aren’t you policing your own posts for misinformation? It took less than 5 minutes to discredit your post about Chinese antigravity. Why didn’t you do that before blathering on about it?

And there were a number of things you posted that are just flat out wrong. Anyone with a scientific background could tell you why.

Whataboutism and more hand waving. Again, what about definitive evidence instead of just wild unsubstantiated claims?

If these things are patented and produced but you don’t know about them then how do you know they are patented and produced? How do you know about them?

Still no evidence. Not a shred. It’s all handwaving and nothing more than fantasy if you can’t back it up.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence - Carl Sagan

And you have none at all.

Why are you doing this? Just wondering. LOL

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I did hear (from a reputable source) that there will be a new Bambu printer in April (after the H2D), and that it will utilize 99% Cantaloupe tech. in a way that hasn’t been seen since this was first marched out to solve the first dust bowl. Anyone else up on this, or know more?

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If you can get close enough you should be able to visually ID it. If it’s one of ours it will look something like this:

If it’s one of the ones from space it will be more like this:

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And just look at the surface texture available by default! It’s the only surface texture, but it sure is beauty!

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Was there a new leak that I missed? A patent??

Are you referring to the Chinese antigravity patent the OP was throwing all sorts of conspiracies about like why doesn’t the world know about antigravity machines? The patent was his proof of antigravity machines.

Turns out that patent was applied for but was withdrawn and never granted. But who looks at the date documenting how it wasn’t granted when there are overly general drawings and text explanations of how antigravity works based on totally bogus scientific principles that are just used as buzzwords?

For those who didn’t sleep through their science classes it’s pretty funny reading.

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Kinda making me sad I blocked op months ago.

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I’m discussing melons. That’s all.

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Well, that’s a form of technology I guess

Quite probably a huge swathe pf patents aren’t related to something that DOES work but to the concept of MIGHT work, so they are maing claim to an intellectual property of a concept.
These then fall into a few camps;
The generalisation where the concept is deliberately vague or obfuscated so that claim can be made against anyone that does something even vauguely similar or vaguely derivative.
The specification where the concept is more precisely defined and illustrated so that claim can be made against a copy or a derivation.
The registration of something naturally occuring that has merely been observed, think colours, DNA, fractals, numbers or shapes.

The world of patents has grown from it’s original intention of protecting design into becoming a minefield that kills the unwary and innocent.

Lets make up an example, you make a fidget toy. The original you use is orange (someone probably has that patented) and it’s an odd spiral shape (someone probably has that patented), and you called it something silly like dream fidget.
Look out because the holders of the IP for the dreamcast logo could well be knocking at your door.

On the ‘anti-gravity’ patents… Assuming that you have an ultra secret project using this kind of thing then you’d have a choice. Bury as much of the original research and information so it becomes very hard to find in a way that reveals what you have, what you wouldn’t want to do is to publicly make the concept available so that someone else could copy it. Ideally you’d change what is available so that the concept is changed enough to be flawed and not work. Whilst conceptually possible in practice it is not really a viable option, too much information in too many places.
Say the US made a revolutionary flying thing, what they don’t want is china or russia duplicating it and waving a patent around that even points in the direction that research or investigation should go is putting way too much information there.
Even if the concept partially worked you wouldn’t want anyone else pursuing it as they might find something that you has missed.

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Ah yes, they are burying the REAL patent information elsewhere! That must be it! Solved!

So there is antigravity - the patents are just scattered elsewhere in unrelated patents so others don’t put two and two together!

Hiding their patents in plain sight! Those wily illuminati and space aliens! I bet they hide the technical details in candy wrappers just to make the hunt more fun for Kang and Kodos!

Or maybe, antigravity isn’t possible, doesn’t exist, and all the antigravity bs on social media is from conspiracy theorists who don’t understand much in the way of physics and have imagined their way into delusions?