I had a model removed from the exclusive program for not being qualified. No reason was provided… but reading the program guidelines closely I think I understand why, but I have other models that probably should be removed for the same reason except I have no way to do this.
TBH if they really want to be picky about the models allowed in the program they should require a review of any model submission before allowing it to join the program.
you will have to put a ticket in, they will then remove them.
That would be smart way to go about that, yes.
That’s true… Do they still nuke ALL points despite user themselves saying “please, I don’t think my model fits within guidelines, I’d like to gracefuly exit”? If so that’s DUM. At least convert those points to non-exclusive ya stingy bastards.
I can’t say. They said they would put that on hold, I think, if you asked for them to be removed. I don’t know for sure.
They revoked all the exclusive points from the model that they removed from the program which prompted this post. I’d rather not have that happen again unexpectedly.
I feel your pain, it happened to me. I ended up just taking all of mine of MW.
When do you know you have an exclusive model in the program?
When everyone has all their models in the program.
I added all of mine. Because why wouldn’t I?
Does anyone remember when consent meant something?
The program should have an exit as easily as an entrance. It would be fair to remove any points gained from any models removed by the designer and keep any points they would have achieved had they not entered.
I cannot think of a decent reason for not allowing a model to be removed for 90 days without financial gain.
Signing a contract is easy; revoking it is harder. If you entered the program (by signing a contract) without reading the guidelines, that’s on you — not on Bambu Lab.
Additionally, you gained visibility by joining, which you likely wouldn’t have achieved otherwise. So, in my view, it’s fair for Bambu Lab to retract all points, not just the exclusive ones.
I’m not sure what models you used to enter the program, but it’s clear from the guidelines that some of them don’t meet the standards.
Exactly. What they dont understand is the reason why MW are not giving them a way to exit. Because if you are allowed to exit with no consequences, now you can simply cash-in and leave, you enjoy the benefits of the EMP but not face the consequences of not fulfilling the requirements. Right choice AFAIU
The problems with start with the fact that at early point in EMP the guidelines weren’t even linked on model add page. It was just “hey, go exclusive and get 25% point boost”. This led to multiple users being certain that the “exclusive” in EMP means that the model’s simply exclusively available on MakerWorld and that’s all…
I’ve read the guidelines as they are today (Last edited by Sylvia 10/23/2024) and the language there is still subjective as hell and only marginally better than what it was at the start, I’d rate the guidelines today 1.2 points out of 10 for “clear guideline”. In other post me and many others pointed out flaws in the guidelines and the rollout.
Additionally, the agreement lacks clear definition of eligible models (it refers to the guidelines and does a good bit defining non-original models) and lacks “good faith” exit scenario. At the moment, the guidelines and agreement can be summarized as: “Guess whether your model is good enough or not, if you guess right it’s cool, if you guess wrong all your points are gone (and we burry that fact in a bunch of legalese).”
I’d propose a “good faith” exit scenario: if a user wants to exit EMP in good faith, then all exclusive points get converted to normal points (so without that 25% boost, not ALL GONE) but keeps to clearly stated 90-day exclusive period.
Also - MW needs to make guidelines clear & objective, fix the agreement (there are even typos there) and make a BIG & CLEAR warning about consequences when joining the program.
Well, I agree on a more clear guidelines and agreement but while we still don’t know what the model OP refers to, it’s clear that:
Simple models like a remix of an articulated dragon model, or a simple phone case with no standout features are more likely not to be welcomed in the program
and
AI generated content, Hueforges and 2D models such as coasters and keychains designed with existing images will be removed from the program
So, if you try to join EMP with those types of models, I believe you should be penalized.
I have some doubts about the “good faith” exit — it could be exploited by cheaters. Moderation would be more effective, though it might slow down the process (and requires BL effort).
In general, I think designers should ask themselves whether their model truly meets the guidelines and take responsibility for their choices.
Yes, those are rather clear-ish. But why did they used “are more likely not to be welcomed in” rather than simply “are not allowed”? And why single out an articulated dragon instead of clear statement that all remixes are not allowed? And why “simple phone case” instead of clearly defining what constitutes a simple model? Also a bit with “2D models […] with existing images”: so are 2D models that are made by designer allowed or not?
Looking at JSNTP’s models currently in EMP, all are: not-ai generated, not hueforge, not 2d, not remixes, not a “simple phone case”… Going by optimistic interpretation of guidelines and subjective opinions, all fit within guidelines.
Everything will be exploited by cheaters. I’d refer to Blackstone’s formulation: “It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.”
Yes, as said by OP:
And lastly:
True. But that requires objective guidelines that leave very little to subjective interpretations. Even the “hueforges and 2d models” bit leaves room for interpretation: are all hueforges and 2d coasters/keychains not allowed or are hueforges and 2d coasters/keychains allowed as long as the images aren’t pre-existing?
Some tickets in this regard are currently not being answered at all. Regardless of whether you had a question about removing the model from the EP or something else related to it.
If you have created really elaborate models, you should consider including this in the EP and blocking a model for further utilisation for perhaps 90 days. The product life cycle on MW can be quite short and may only last a few days or a few weeks. After that, you may no longer receive a significant number of downloads. Then the EP is no longer worthwhile. But you won’t be able to get out.
On the other hand, it is more worthwhile if you create models without much effort, of which you can then upload many and if you will only do this on Makerworld anyway. Then it’s the mass of models that makes the difference and it doesn’t matter if a model doesn’t get any downloads after a week or a few days.
To be clear, the two of mine which were removed were both just fairly simple ‘door corner’ models, which were original but also 2d and simple which I guess they just don’t like and I can understand why they removed them from the program.
IMO they should stop allowing any models in the program without a MW review of the model first, but I also realize they almost surely don’t have the bandwidth to review thousands of submissions every day.
Dude, looking through some of your models in the exclusive program you shouldn’t be throwing stones. Some of those are pretty simple and pretty far from “original” in terms of the idea.
Don’t go dismissing others thoughts when you have a plate holder in the exclusive program, the “Cap” that fits in the hole on top of the P1 series, Incense holder that’s one cone and an iverted cone. Your models are fine, but don’t belong as “high quality” and “exclusive”.
First of all, I didn’t dismiss anyone. I was simply trying to explain my understanding of the EP guidelines — please read more carefully.
Furthermore, it’s clear I didn’t judge anyone, especially since the OP didn’t specify which models were involved. So how do you think you have the right to judge my work? What’s your excuse?
And as for that ‘cap’ you consider insignificant, let me clarify: 1) it took quite a bit of work to make it nearly perfect, and 2) it’s been downloaded and printed by over 3,000 people because useful. You don’t think that’s exclusive? Who cares. 
But again, I neither judged nor offended anyone — you did. 
Never judged your work as good or bad.
I just think maybe you should ask yourself if those models meet the guidelines and should be called exclusive.
They don’t look complex or detailed. They are not original approaches either. Good or not, not my decision. I think you may end up seeing what the penalty feels like.
“They don’t look complex or detailed”. This is a good point and another consideration when looking at models - the genius and effort is often masked by the simplicity.
I hope you’re not saying that a plug for a P1 series is genius and complex no matter who comes up with it.
The only one I’ve seen among the dozens if not hundred available is the one that’s magnetic.
The guys models aren’t bad. A few should maybe be in the exclusive program.
TO ME, stating some should be penalized for not thinking the guidelines through seems a bit odd coming from someone who should have done the same.
In the end my own opinion doesn’t matter, it’s MWs decision. I’m reasonably sure that penalty so many are for will end up stinging them in the rear.
I don’t mean to state anything about anyone’s models or designs.
I am stating that defining simple is another consideration, whether it is something that is flat with one part or something else. Your post brought that thought to mind.