No freedom of opinion here

What exactly

does mean? Care to elaborate?

Not blaming you, just saying I constantly see people arguing here and that I don’t see that in other online forums.

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I havnt been on that forum, but arguments take 2 parties. Its possible that drones bring less gatekeeping. Maybe drone operators have more expendable cash and so arent so tied to one company at a time. Or there mods dont let people attack each other. Not sure. 99% of arguments here are someone thats not happy with bambu being shark attacked by the same 5 people. Like clockwork. Im willing to bet this is the difference. A complaint only ends in an argument when other users are allowed to attack the complainer. Otherwise, its just feedback. Only the moderators can fix this. Dji may aslo have a support phone number so not every bad experience is posted to the public in the form of a forum post.

DJI basically has almost no serious competition (76% market share in consumer drones with no serious competitors). What I find interesting from being on the DJI forum is that people are just respectful. They don’t start arguments. They just help each other, answer questions about products, chat, and don’t say things that will cause an argument. It is modded but so is this forum and that doesn’t really stop arguments.

Something a lot of people never fully understood, including myself, is how political correctness tried and still tries to change the world by changing the people…
What is fine with most of us during a conversation, on a professional level is unacceptable.

Like instead of addressing Bambu to make it personal by addressing the person just as ā€˜Tao’.
Same story for trying to make a point, valid or not.
Saying (writing) something like ā€˜THIS is totally unacceptable’ won’t offend anyone here but on a corporate and business level capital letters are seen as a form of yelling…

Yes, the fake Bambu bots terminate a lot of posts and some topics as well.
A few of mine also vanished into the digital nirvana, often without stating any reason and with me failing to find any possible offence in the post.
Some forms of criticising, especially if in a satirical form even through the famous FB bots off and can cause a ban over there.
Sometimes it is enough to post unwanted facts a company does not like seen disclosed - there is plenty of reasons and we can’t do anything about it…

I’m not trying to be ā€œthat guyā€ but weren’t you suspended for 10 days for being combative with someone? Then you created a 2nd account to evade the ban. I like to browse/lurk several other 3d printing forums and Discords, and I promise you they have the same exact arguments you see here. People complain about the same things they complain about here. I’m sure it has something to do with certain hobbies attracting similar personality types… but that’s all speculation on my part.

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That’s his name, and up until now he’s the only ā€œdistinguishableā€ face at Bambu, and currently the only one speaking on behalf of Bambu in public or to the media. He’s, after all, the CEO of the company, and personally I rather address a living individual instead of a business name. And as CEO he needs to own not only the successes but also the failures of the company, and take the necessary steps to remediate those failures.
It’s a matter of personal choice.

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Ahhh, now I get it…
Personal choice, personal opinions, freedom of speech…
You do realise though that those things are non existing in China ?

News flash: I’m not living in China.
They may censor me here, but that’s the extent (or limit) of censorship they can impose on me.

Just saying as a lot of people are under the impression Chinese companies offer the same level of understanding on their forums and chat sites as western companies :wink:

Funny, sounds so much like the U.S.A. ā€œIf they dont like the way you think, they will delete your comments or posts. There is no freedom of expression, sharing of opinions or transparency hereā€, ā€œhow is this country supposed to grow if you remove all will from citizens and visitors, you will only have controlling narrowminded people left here.ā€

Delete? No no no, freedom of speech means they just yell over you until you stop voicing your opinion and go elsewhere. Then they get mad that you’ve gone elsewhere and complain here too (ie: the influx of angry redditors on these forums)

News flash this isn’t the free market, this is a company owned forum, and they have every right to control it however they want.

This has nothing to do with china, and everything to do with a capitalist free market. Any company can and will control the conversation if it benefits their business, and puts them ahead of the competition in some way.

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Sure but we have to consider that business in China differs very much from how WE do business…
Ask Trump about his time when he decided to pull out of the Chinese sector with his money and businesses and check what made him so angry :wink:
That was around the 80’s, not something of recent years…

If know the Chinese mentality in terms of doing business and running one you clearly see how very different this forum is…
Same for what what we consider freedom of speech.
Bambu has to provide a this forum in a way that is not offensive for OUR ways of thinking and our expectations.
It is all international here.
But like in other ā€˜community’ forums, for examples most in the hands of Autodesk, there is high level of, let’s call it oversight involved.
Trust me, Bambu is still rather ā€˜considerate’ to some western forums and how they keep their forum spaces ā€˜in line with expectations’… :wink:

You put it in a nice way but where is this free market you are talking about?
Markets are controlled through governments and corporations, not freedoms.
If there is a demand it is used to increase profits, if there is no demand one will be created, simple.
And as saw with Ozempic - corporations don’t really care much about the real damages their profit decisions can have.
And did you hear and government that could have actually step in? :wink:
We abused China for decades to get cheap labour, avoid our environmental laws and restrictions and to have them produce for us what we can’t produce at home for the same costs…
Of course they learned from us, of course they know how play our game…
Today China is a global leader in many areas, whether we like it or not but we keep falling behind more and more.
Were we got stuck and did not bother China kept innovating and the times of thriving through cheap and low copies are almost over…

Opinions differ and that makes being human so much fun because it always gives us reason to communicate and learn.
But what might be just an opinion for one might be offensive for another these days…
If there would be no oversight here and no one looking out for Bambu this forum would drown in unwanted content…

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I actually agree with a lot of what you’re saying, but I do so as a third party to it all (Australia, not US and not China)

The reason I brought it up though is that time and time again, on these forums and the Bambu subreddit, people just fall back to some form of ā€œChina badā€ sentiment and act like it’s a big nail in the coffin.

What you said is correct, the US used china’s alternative take on production to accomplish what they couldn’t do themselves. If it was too dangerous or costly to produce in America, they would rely on china.

But as soon as something doesn’t go their way, they blame china and turn it to racism against chinese (and asian) people in general.

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Once upon a time, we made an agreement that we would ship low skilled labor jobs to china while we got ready for the next level jobs. But instead, we shipped jobs overseas and then never followed through with things on the education and training side. Ultimately, it was a decent idea if we had done things like free community college. Its hard for truckers to learn to code when college is so expensive and the social safety net is so weak. We also werent planning on them cloning everything we paid them to produce for us. Without the cloning, they would still be in the 1980’s

Btw, we could do it ourselves. We chose not to. We started this little thing called the industrial revolution. And then the tech era. Gave the world the internet for free, GPS etc

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And yet history teaches not to repeat our past mistakes, yet here we are…again…as those who don’t want to learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them.

Which ā€œeraā€ is that?!? I only suppose it predates the current ā€œorange periodā€ as this period looks to me (and many others) more like a caveman’s era… However, I could be mistaken and the current period might actually predate this ā€œeraā€ as well… (thinking more of ā€œdinosaurs eraā€)…

Sadly, the internet might be free on your side of the pond. On my side it costs us a leg, a hand… and a tooth …every bloody month… pretty expensive for a ā€œfree sh1tā€

Somebody is angry with the orange idiot. I understand. We have 330 million people and something like 77 million voted for him(75 million for kamala). More people voted for somebody else(kamala, 3rd party or write ins), which makes the whole ā€œtoo big to rigā€ lie sound really dumb. He won the popular vote by less than Hillary Clinton and has the records for low approval rating at beginning of term. If it wasnt for voter supression, he would have lost. Please dont blame our whole country or discount the things we have done in the past. And please dont think the loud minority of hillbillies represent all of us. We could have done the same during brexit but didnt.

Tech era. Id say Gordon Moore had a hand in this. We also educated the founder of TSMC

When you pay your internet bill, it doesnt go to the U.S.

Weird arguments drakko. Youre usually far more coherent. You dipping into the tequila?

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Could it be because…

or it could be because…

we gonna never know :upside_down_face:

…but it does have its benefits

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Tuhkillya

letters letters

This sounds a little like copium but I can’t necessarily say you’re wrong either… :laughing:

Use < blank > without the spaces to get to the character limit

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Could be worse, in Australia we invented wifi and gave that to the world for basically nothing, all we can manage is selling coal and minerals for the bare minimum to keep afloat. our economy is in collapse and I’m dying inside :slight_smile: