No freedom of opinion here

This is my experience:
If they dont like the way you think, they will delete your comments or posts. There is no freedom of expression, sharing of opinions or transparency here, why do they delete everything that is even slightly constructive critisizm, how is this platform supposed to grow if you remove all will from creators and users, you will only have controlling narrowminded people left here.

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Most of the posts I have seen removed are uncalled for comments and just hateful speech.

So as long as it’s none of the above I’m really curious about what your opinions were?

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As long as the criticism is directed to other users, it’s fine, but once the criticism is directed to Bambu, it’s no longer fine, and most of the times it gets removed, under the guise of being reported (by "the community ") as inappropriate or offensive, in breach of "community guidelines ".

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Please note that everyone is free to share their opinions and have a friendly conversation, as long as the community guidelines are followed.

Spam messages, personal attacks, insults are not accepted and thus, removed.

We are trying to help build a friendly community where everyone feels welcome, and we appreciate everyone who is contributing to do the same.

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Do you actually read the forum? There are LOTS of posts that criticize Bambu. There has been since the beginning and there are more every day. Your “they removed all criticism” doesn’t track at all. It’s just completely wrong. I guess that’s what you want to think because you want to be upset.

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I’ve got screenshots of every post i had removed by the moderators, and around 90+% of these were criticizing Bambu, following their January 16th firmware notice. I could post them once again, all of them in one batch, but given the previous experiences, the post will be again removed for "breaching community guidelines ".
You may not like it, you may argue, but I’m not the only one who had posts removed for being “overly critical” about Bambu…

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It’s a forum owned and managed by BBL. Why are you surprised they remove posts they don’t like? You don’t have any “rights” as a forum user except the rights forum management chooses to extend to you. Start your own independent forum for BBL printers and then you can delete posts you don’t like, too. :slight_smile:

I’ve posted plenty of comments about things I thought BBL could have done differently. I’ve outright said I thought they got it wrong in some cases. I have never had a post removed. Plenty of other people make constructive suggestions and their posts don’t get deleted, either.

If 90% of your posts criticize Bambu and get removed, I would posit the problem is you and not BBL. Look at why they get deleted and adjust your writing style accordingly, maybe BBL will leave them be…

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yeah. like i said, besides being “overly critical” of Bambu and Tao, nothing in those posts were in breach of the so called “community guidelines”… I’ve
double checked (even triple checked) them against those guidelines. Besides being harsh on those two mentioned above, nothing in those posts was breaching the stated guidelines. Like you pointed out, I remembered I’m on a forum managed by a PRC based company, with a specific mentality and staff, so I didn’t even bother to submit a dispute resolution claim. Nobody on their side would care, and it will be just time lost. Kept those screenshots for future reference, should an opportunity to use them arise.
As for me or my posts being the problem, I might have accepted that, provided I would have been the only one. But through private exchanges I’ve seen other users’ posts (shared screenshots) also (heavily) criticizing Bambu and Tao, that have been removed by moderators as well, and temporarily banning the users for the same “faults”… So when it’s just one, what you say might be true, but when several ppl are subject to same “MO” , I doubt it’s the user(s) fault, rather it’s plain censorship.
whatever

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“(heavily) criticizing” isn’t constructive. Soapboxing never is. You don’t like what they’re doing, temper your criticism with suggestions that address whatever you’re critical of. I bet if you did (and the suggestions met at least some minimum threshold of rationality), BBL would be more receptive to your ideas.

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Joined Jan 8th, read 40min, complaining about posts deleted.

Yep, he’s a keeper.

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@johnfcooley is a prime example of the toxicity of this forum.

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Edited because I hurt someone’s feelings who harassed me.

Was this post against "community guidelines ", in your opinion? (and this is just one example)

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qed. This place is toxic! No dissent opinion is allowed.

Ok, let me ask a question.

Let’s say you’re having an open house. We all come over but I don’t like your shoes. I mean, they’re nice shoes but I just don’t like them, and I’m going to raise a stink about your shoes. While I’m doing that I think I’ll call you names too.

Now it’s your house. You stand there and think “This is MY house, he can’t talk to me that way”.

I say, well you opened it up to us, so I can do whatever I want.

Reality is it’s your house, and you can kick me out, ask me to tone it down, or just silence me. Cause it’s YOUR house, your rules.

I can get mad, doesn’t matter. Freedom of speech! Doesn’t matter. Why, well first I came into the house and that means I have to follow your rules, I agreed at the door. Your rules. Second free speech has consequences. I say your a jerk all I want, you can punch me in the mouth because of it. I was free to say it, as i was free to get punched.

You can voice dissatisfaction all you want. Just make it make sense.

I’ve seen your messages, and they were rude and condescending. If you want to stay alone in your house (or keep only rude and condescending friends) then great! But that’s no way to foster a community.
Why do you assume people made a mistake? Why do you assume people have no knowledge?
Why do you assume people didn’t try and figure out the issue before reaching out for help here?
I can agree that initial messages should contain more information, but that is not a requirement here. Yet you attacked people for not doing it. If you have been named the Forum’s Police, then it’s okay…

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You’ve seen my messages but fail to understand them. Is my mic on?

Why? Because the preponderance of the evidence states that it works. The BiQu is the same material and it’s been deemed a success. Common sense leaves few other paths. Either the specific plate is defective, you’ve cleaned it wrong, you have used it wrong, your filament is to blame.

Not sure where you get this. Can I see the words in your head so I can catch up? IF you were able to understand you would see that my first reply plainly offers help for information.

I’m not going to defend comments that aren’t what you think they are simply on fact you don’t understand. I don’t know if there is nuance lost between a language barrier or you are willfully ignorant. Wanna guess which I think it is?

This is by far the most asinine statement I’ve seen in a long time. This board offers help to any who ask it, just like Hogwarts. To offer effective help the more information the better. No one is able to read anyones mind. How do you suppose to get effective advice if you don’t tell anyone anything other than “it’s not working”.

Please, quote in context, the reply in that thread where I made a threat to anyone. Where I belittled, or made fun of anyone (other than you, cause you asked for it).

@JonRaymond can I be Forum Hall Monitor? I like that better than Forum Police. I bet it comes with a sash too.

Was this post against "community guidelines ", in your opinion? (and this is just one example)

IMO, yes. It reads (to me) like it’s really just soapboxing. You’re stating opinion as fact, and attributing actions/motivations to other people you can’t possibly know are correct.

Comments like “I didn’t feel his response was appropriate” and “given it was broken quickly, I don’t think the security features have the benefit BBL is claiming” would have made the exact same points without the emotional and confrontational language, and I bet your post would not have been deleted.

Or simply “I don’t like what BBL is doing, I am selling my machine”. That wouldn’t have been deleted I bet, either.

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Thing is, I’ve paraphrased in my post what Spaghetti Monster (Tao) said in his blogpost (see [Setting the Record Straight About Our Security Update])(Updates and Third-Party Integration with Bambu Connect).

You say that I’ve stated my opinion as a fact.
So does he in his blogpost.

You say I’ve attributed actions and motivations to other ppl that i can’t possibly know that are correct.
Guess what! According to the blogpost, so does he.

When a person is being confrontational, I respond in kind. When I’m “attributed” malevolent intentions and/or motivations when raising legitimate questions , I respond accordingly.

As for selling my printer, far from me such a thought. Why should I sell it? As long as I can continue using it without having to connect to Bambu’s cloud, and without having Bambu looking over my shoulder, or having any say on how I use my property, I’m happy with my printer.

I don’t get why people act like this here (not saying who), just saying in the DJI forum I have not seen a single argument and here arguments happen every day.