I know you can set profiles to private but I was thinking it would be nice just to set profiles to opt out of points. This could really add to the convenience of using the Bambu Handy app.
This isn’t going to stop spam profiles, except it actually might to a certain extent. What this would be mostly for is convenience. Bambu doesn’t want “similar profiles” so coloured different, small changes, etc. The thing is I know myself those small changes are a lot of what I end up having to use my PC for. Adding an extra colour. Dropping down to 0.16mm, adding a magnet hole, small scaling.
If we could post those slightly changed profiles and just opt out of points it is going to give those Bambu Handy users the ability to print more directly from the app.
I guess maybe Bambu would have to make prints from those profiles more equivalent to downloads for the actual model points. I dunno the specifics but I would love to have all those minimal changed profiles available.
Maybe some filtering could end up being needed but still. The convenience factor would be great. I think at least.
I think the reason for opting out of points is so that users can upload profiles that may be very similar to each other without fear of the profiles being removed as “spam” or “unnecessary” profiles.
MakerWorld removes profiles that fall under several spam-prevention rules because unfortunately a handful of users spam profiles to earn points.
By allowing profiles that opt out of points, MakerWorld won’t have to worry about those users who are cheating for points.
While I understand it, I think I would instead recommend having one profile with many different plates that have all the options
I don’t think this approach is practical in many cases. The plate name is the only description available, and its length is limited. Additionally, organizing multi-part models distributed across multiple plates becomes challenging.
Personally, I believe a better approach would be to gradually make the most important slicer settings—such as the number of perimeters, infill type, infill density, and others—accessible through the app.
No, I don’t think it’s a good idea. This would actually cause LESS convenience for most end-users.
Let me go example by example:
Changing layer height can cause issues when printing, the best case scenario is “just” different print time, the worst case scenario is print not working. Adding a “small change” for this is no good.
adding magnet hole may be harmless, but then there’s soooo many magnet sizes it makes no sense. Imagine 20 profiles just to accomodate most popular magnet sizes.
“small scaling” can be dangerous, for example I have models which if you scale them down by more than 3% will become unprintable. Scalling up can also cause problems
Again, I disagree - number of perimeters influences part strength, infill does too (and in my dislike of grid infill that’s the only one I’d permit changing to something that causes less problems )
Also - Model authors should have major if not final say what goes in as a profile.
The actual decent way to go about that that I see would be (if we speak on terms of the platform and handy-only users) following scenario:
user asks model author to introduce custom profile
model author has options: do it, put a request for profile and deny.
when done by model author, author could publish (if printed) or just mark the profile as “for the requesting user”.
once user prints and rates the profile made just for them, along with photos - those photos become print profile proof.
this would be in line with platform policy of requiring print proof for profiles and allow requesters to be able to print from handy with optimal settings.
Ya this would be the reason, lets Makerworld leave them up without feeling like point farming is going on. The issue with the plates idea I think anyway is the way filtering works, a 10 minute print in a profile with 20 plates shows for the total time of the profile I believe.
This would be a good idea adding the slicer settings. Myself this would be good enough in most cases and I would assume most people also. Still adds that little inconvenience for those that don’t really know what they are doing in the slicer settings but I think it would be a good in between for sure.
I think part of your suggestion is identical to my request months ago.
The reason for your request is different though.
I created profiles for models that lacked something fundamental that the designers chose not to provide or couldn’t.
Providing access to the A1 mini back before BL took up my solution of automatic slicing for all models.
Providing access to all other printers back when A1 users could only create profiles for the A1 and before my suggestion was implemented.
For designers that created ornament-style models that begged to have a multiple colour versions yet they chose to provide only single-colour versions.
Profiles that make a slight colour change add nothing to the design, they are ego profiles.
Some profiles actively go against the wishes of the designer’s design, why does someone else get to choose a vision for a model the designer already decided they didn’t want?
The worst is when people with no idea of how their “very important profile” will affect the mechanical properties of a model that moves decides to add something that the designer knows fails as they created many prototypes.
Thats what ratings and pictures and videos are for I would think. And the removal of points removes the incentive for people to upload such worthless profiles. Yes your right sometimes changing layer height will destroy a print, but sometimes its going to make it 100% better. Similar for scaling but your right both of these can break finely detailed prints for sure.
You are right there are a lot of magnet sizes, for such a thing to exist more and better filtering would need to be available. It wouldn’t be a small change by any means.
I very much disagree with your premise here, while yes the designer has settings in mind for best outcome thats what ratings are for. If I want to print something a bit faster and its maybe not as smooth that is my decision to make as the person doing the print. Sure some designers have the best settings for their prints posted. Many do not though. I guess for this to work there would have to be an extra layer of seperation between the profiles and the model so designers dont look like they have bad models.
Oh I very much don’t agree with having to request to post a profile, just the easiest scenario is a user posts a model and goes dark, stops using their account, now noone can add a profile. The 3d printing community is about iteration in my eyes, some don’t work, some work better, that’s the name of the game in my opinion anyways.
just to add as Malc seems to have a similar thought on this, I just think it would maybe be better to somehow seperate profiles from models a bit more than to limit models in such a way. It seems over restrictive to me.
Don’t get me wrong I have some exclusive models up going totally against the iteration mindset, and I guess in that way im a bit of a sellout, but overall I still think 3d printing is about iteration on the way to a final product as opposed to posting something ready made for factory shelves.
(Hope I didn’t come across rude, I reworded it a few times but sometimes I can seem more agressive than I mean to no matter how many time I try to fix)
I will just use my example here because I see your point but we are not all professionals in all aspects of this - hey some are, and most are way above myself but lets say…
I design something and put hours and hours and hours into optimizing it to get it to work. I get all the slicer settings just right, get it posted, great. Now someone comes along thats been 3d printing since before it was a maker thing. Know a couple setting I simply don’t or some trick I simply don’t.
Just because I spent hours and hours on something doesn’t mean that professional in a specific aspect isnt going to be able to use a trick to shave some time or make the print come out just that little bit nicer. I know most people won’t but I really do believe iteration is the name of the game.
I mean many items that are 3d printed are just taking things that already exist - designed by people who do it for a living - and making them slightly better.
I just don’t like the idea of more restrictions on profiles. On many sites it’s here’s an STL figure it out. I really like the convenience of the Handy app and I guess I just really enjoy choice - I tend to research more than others to so may not be seeing the problems as clearly.
And I guess if the designer gets the choice to allow it it mitigates things a bit since it’s their design, but they are already posting it. People are going to modify it on their own anyway.
My thoughts are all about me handing points for needed gap filling profiles to the original designers.
I do not wish any ego-based profiles (“I could have done this better than the designer”) or minor tweaks on any of my models in the same way I never did that with the profiles I added.
In almost all cases I had the permission of the designer and their support. That is a huge difference to people randomly adding things.
The designer should choose how their work is presented.
Some people also make physical alterations to the designers models without any thought for what that means. This includes simplified geometry, scaling and other things the designer chose not to include.
Who are we to decide that a designer should have done x, y & z. If we think that, do it in our own design.
Designers should not have to put up with others graffitiing their work and being told they should be grateful.
Designers should choose the level of third-party involvement in the same way they choose the licence restrictions that are applied.
They can do this and then print it, they don’t then share it and say “look how great I am”.
No prob, I understand where you’re coming from… But at the same time I don’t think it would benefit users of Handy app.
Think of it like this: Profiles should be for MOST people. For all the things you’ve mentioned as small mods, there’s little benefit to most users. That’s exactly what the studio’s for! For people who do want those small tweaks!
Also, let me share my example: during Christmas printing, I’ve changed a print profile for multi part and multi color print. Uploading it would probably benefit users, but at first I asked model author and the author said “I’d rather if you didn’t” (but obviously in very kind way, he just believed his version was more universal) - so I didn’t, despite changes being far above “small modifications”
I guess maybe I expect more from the community then those that have been around for so much longer.
I’m of the mind if you remove the points incentive it goes back to being I posted this cause it worked for me and maybe someone else wants to do it this way.
It seems thats not something you and a few others think will happen. I get there will be some people that try and “be better” I just figure reviews and ratings would even that back out. I will concede that im not a community veteren so I may be a bit optimistic in that sense. I also tend to avoid the profiles that boast like that but I am likely not the majority in that way.
I will note, full disclosure I post profiles if i’ve made enough changes it’s not going to be taken down. Some times I pass on the points, sometimes I don’t ( I have a rule I follow). I do always contact someone before posting from another site or things like that though. Hope i’m not being seen as anti designer at all - definitely isn’t my overall take in case thats how it’s coming across.
Excuse me, you are annoyed I don’t share your opinion and why does my longevity in providing help to people mean I should agree with the views of others.
It seems you are annoyed that you didn’t light up the forum with your suggestion and everyone else had concerns with your idea.
Don’t take your disappointment out on others, whether they are new to the forum or those that have been around for longer.
I think you misunderstood what I meant completely.
I figure ratings and things will weed out the bad profiles and things but I havn’t seen as many of the issues that I am sure many of you have.
You and some others have more experience to realize that at the end of the day the bad actors are likely what would completely take over with their profiles, points or no points.
I had no intention of lighting up any forums just to toss an idea out there. Next time I will keep it to myself so I don’t accidentally offend someone I guess. Take care
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