Orca Slicer or die!

From my point of view, the app is something they advertised, so it should work. Just like the other advertised features.

Personally, I would not need it nor the Bambu Lab cloud, not even for remote printer access. LAN-only mode would be sufficient. Sticking to SD card now though.

This is fun little sign :slight_smile:

On top of that, if anybody would like to - there’s a possibility to “vote with your wallet” so to speak:

https://github.com/sponsors/SoftFever

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@tg0

Als ich kann nur sagen ich nutze die App vor allem bei drucken die über Nacht laufen und ich zwischendurch vom Bett aus schauen möchte ob noch alles ordentlich läuft. Für mich war die Cloudfunktionalität ein Teil meiner Kaufentscheidung. Ich nutze zum Slicen das Bambustudio. Ich sah noch keine notwendigkeit ein anderen Slicer zu benutzen. Klar kann ich verstehen das Leute die auch andere Drucker als die von Bambulab nutzen, eine Slicer verwenden der auch mit den kompatibel ist. Und so wie ich das bosher verfolgt habe ist es nicht Bambulab die Orcaslicer nicht haben wollen sondern das team von Orcaslicer sind die, die das neue Bambuconnect ablehnen.

Gruss derGarfield

I can only say that I use the app mainly for prints that run overnight and I want to check in between from bed whether everything is still running properly.For me, the cloud functionality was part of my purchase decision. I use Bambustudio for slicing. I haven’t seen the need to use another slicer yet. Of course I can understand that people who use printers other than Bambulab use a slicer that is also compatible with them. And the way I’ve been following it, it’s not Bambulab who don’t want Orcaslicer, it’s the Orcaslicer team who are rejecting the new Bambuconnect.

Greetings theGarfield

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Two little technical tidbits:

  1. For devices on the same network, so for example your printer and bambu handy on your smartphone, there’s no reason at all to be dependent on cloud.
  2. The OrcaSlicer team expressed the correct stance: introducing Bambu Connect is not the way to do secure printer connection. In the Verge article, Bambu Q&A, the bambu spokeperson admited that Bambu was aware of more secure, industry standard ways to do security and went with Bambu Connect. (Which anybody who knows a bit more about security, realizes is NOT the way to go)
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@Johnny_Bit

aber was mache ich wenn ich den Druck von Arbeit aus überwache, bin ich dann definitiv nicht im gleichen netztwerk. Aber was die Sicherheit angeht ich denke es gibt da unterschiedliche Herangehensweisen, und ich denke es gibt da nicht eine die Richtig. es muss jedes Unternehmen für sich selbst entscheiden wie sie die Sicherheit bewerkstelligen wollen. Und das sich Bambu gegen Industriestandards entschieden wird seine Gründe haben. So wie ich das sehe könnte der Grund sein das sie mit Ihren Drucker leute ansrpechen wollen die das Hobbymäßig machen und nicht kmmeriziel. Gut der X1E ist da die ausnahme.

Gruss der Garfield

@Johnny_Bit

but what do I do if I monitor the print from work, I’m definitely not in the same network. But as far as security is concerned I think there are different approaches and I don’t think there is one right one. it’s up to each company to decide for themselves how they want to manage security. And there will be reasons why Bambu decided against industry standards. The way I see it, the reason could be that they want to target people with their printers who do it as a hobby and not as a business. Well, the X1E is the exception.

Greetings from Garfield

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Thanks, that works for LAN mode. Before setting the printer to LAN mode Orca Slicer would only prompt for the pin code.

My printer was set to cloud mode this morning to update firmware but without that pin code it won’t even do that.

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Is the phone app updated and did you used it? Are you logged in your account on both the app and the printer? When the printer displays the QR code does the phone app scan it correctly?
Other than that i don’t know. Clueless if none works.

I have used Studio from day one of owning a Bambu Lab printer in June 2023, never had any issues, I for one cannot understand all the tears over wanting to secure the network, I was 13 when the Sinclair ZX81 was released in 1981, so I have been around long enough to see how companies cope with going against the grain, sorry to those crying but Bambu Lab are doing the right thing, security is their main concern, it makes me laugh that most complaining are Americans, do you want to lose Bambu Lab in the USA like DJI and TikTok are threatened with bans, no don’t think you do.
Seriously if you don’t like these moves go back to inferior printers!
If you want a 3D printer get a Creality, if you want to 3D Print buy a Bambu Lab

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Then if you want to send/monitor prints from outside, there’s where the cloud CAN come in. (It doesn’t even have to, but that’s advanced topic)

As for deciding against industry standards: security, especially network security, is a hard topic. Industry standards in that regard are like OSHA handbooks: written in blood of those who died screaming. You don’t want to repeat their mistakes. So if numerous tech inclined folks, especially security experts tell you your way is wrong it’s best to listen. Also, the fact that this security measure was decrypted and shown to be very “amateur hour” simply screams that they need to hire actual experts in the field to guide them in this.

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You can be in the same virtual network, if you set it up. Anyway, if the Bambu cloud works for you and you are not concerned about security, I think you should be free to make that choice. It’s just that it is good to be aware that the current way they set it up, your Bambu Handy app requires connectivity to their cloud servers. So if for any reason you can no longer reach that cloud, the app stops working.

When it comes to security, one thing is true though: There is an abundance of wrong ways to do it.

An “industry standard” does not mean “unsuitable for hobby”, it just means “security experts recommend this way to do it”. Furthermore, Bambu Lab is the business in this situation. They do not make printers purely as a hobby.

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I think that the real goal of Bambu is to sell more filaments. It is so easy to do all the tests and calibration and create a good profile for even cheap 10$ filament in orca. But in Bambu Studio it is not so easy, so more people will not bother to buy filament and calibrate it in orca and just buy Bambu filament that already has a preconfigured profile.

Ihr müsst eines bedenken. Die Drucker zielen aber auch auf Menschen die sie nur nutzen wollen ohne sich viele Gedanken darum zu machen. Sprich sie Zielen hauptsächlich auf User die nicht viel Ahnung über Computer haben. Das heißt sie können die Geräte zwar benutzen aber wenn es um tiefergründige Einstellungen und Einrichtung sicherer Netzwerke und oder eigene Cloudsysteme oder ähnliches zum überwachen der Drucker geht, wären diese Personen auf verlorenen Posten. Wollt ihr wirklich das diese Leute die Drucker nicht so nutzen können wie es aktuell der Fall ist? Wenn ich vor hätte mir ein Druckerfarm aufzubauen, würde ich die Bambulab drucker nur bedingt in Betracht. Bambluab hat die Branche schön aufgemischt. Und andere Herrsteller die für Druckfarmen geeigneter sind bieten mittlerweile Drucker an die was die Druckqualität und Geschwindigkeit ebenso gut sind.

Gruss der Garfield

You have to bear one thing in mind. The printers are also aimed at people who just want to use them without giving them much thought. In other words, they are mainly aimed at users who don’t know much about computers. This means that they can use the devices, but when it comes to more in-depth settings and setting up secure networks or their own cloud systems or similar to monitor the printers, these people would be at a loss. Do you really want these people not to be able to use the printers as they currently do? If I were planning to set up a printer farm, I would only consider Bambulab printers to a limited extent. Bambulab has really shaken up the industry. And other manufacturers that are more suitable for print farms now offer printers that are just as good in terms of print quality and speed.

Greetings from Garfield

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Well, as someone who is new to 3D printing, I would actually simply have stuck to Bambu Lab filament by default, resorting to third-party filament only when Bambu does not sell a particular type I need, assuming a premium price was justified. Not anymore though, the default level of trust has been lost.

Not an expert at all, but by default I would be cautious about 10$ filament rolls.

Now SUNLU|JAYO sells filament for 100$ per 11kg (10 spools of 1.1kg) and this is the same filament that Bambu sells but on another spools without Bambu’s nfc chips on spools.

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The inverse is true: I want them to be as secure as possible AND be able to use their printers without worrying about them. That means that the onus of responsibility is on manufacturer to make correct choices regarding security. And “industry standard” is like building code: it’s bare minimum. So if there’s a “more secure, industry standard” way of doing things, rejecting that is setting yourself up for failure.

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That was me a couple weeks ago.

Well, unfortunately it seems one “benefit” of this strategy is that you can tell some of your customers convenient lies just because they do not know any better.

Not at all, I want everyone to be able to continue to use the printers the way they see fit.

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Was die Filamente angeht, als Neuling wird man eh erstmal mit PLA oder PETG anfangen und die Genric Profile sind ganz brauchbar und ich denke das wenn man sich etwas mit den Filament und dem Druck beschäfftig bekommt es jeder mit nicht Bambufilamenten gebacken. Also ich denke nicht das der Filamentabsatz ihr wirkliches Ziel ist.

Gruss der Garfield

As far as the filaments are concerned, as a newcomer you will start with PLA or PETG anyway and the Genric profiles are quite usable and I think that if you get to grips with the filament and printing, anyone can do it with non-bamboo filaments. So I don’t think filament sales are their real goal.

Greetings from Garfield

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But:

  1. I am not a newcomer (I was month ago, but month is enough to learn)
  2. Generic profile has flow ratio 0.98 and sometimes for some filament this number is wrong and this has impact on quality. Generic profile for PLA has temperature 220 and for some PLA filaments it is too high. Max flow rate is set to 12mm/s and many filaments can do better up to 30 mm/s and print faster.
    So it works, but after calibration every ones can print better and faster. Economy of money and times. And Bambu even not produce filament themselves just resale Sunlu’s.
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@poostoon

Ich habe nicht gesagt das die Genericprofile perfekt sind sind. Ich habe einen P1S und mit den Generic Profile für PLA und PETG keine Probleme. Und ich habe keine Lust jedes Filament das ich kaufe auch zu kalibrieren.
und ich denke es wird den meisten genauso gehen wir mir ich will einfach nur Drucken.

Gruss der Garfield

I did not say that the generic profiles are perfect. I have a P1S and have no problems with the generic profiles for PLA and PETG. And I don’t feel like calibrating every filament I buy.
and I think most people will feel the same as I do, I just want to print.

Greetings from Garfield

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But You will print with speed 12mm/s and I will print with 24mm/s. After 10 minute calibration made in one click in orca, rest of the spool (batch of spools) I will print twice faster. So maybe it is me who want to print (and get things from my printer as fast as possible) and You are the one who want printer to work (consume time and electricity).

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