I’m looking at getting the Panda rivo hot end and have a few questions for other people that have it already.
I see the revo not not come in a 0.2 mm nozzle like the stock bambu nozzles How does a 0.25 compare and is they’re a way to tell the bambu slicer that you’re using a 0.25?
I also assume that you take the fan off of the stock hot and put it on the revo?
And lastly, can I get some nozzle recommendations?
Regular vs ObXidian vs ObXidian high flow. I do print lots of different materials.
I have a .25 and I’ve used it once. I may have a profile to share, would have to look. I think it’s’ on Makerword, not by me.
Yes, the fan from an existing BL nozzle can be used. You can also just purchase a new one if you wish.
The last is tough. The HF is nice and gives a little head room, but it’s not life changing. I can get increased flow about 30mms I stay conservative though.
So really you have to ask yourself, will I need higher flow? There’s a good bit of space between the prices, especially if you’re looking at multiple sizes. Quite honestly I’d say go ahead and get the HF for the headroom, but know it’s not necessary to get better performance.
Get a .25 if you think you’ll need to go that low in brass, the .4 in however you wish, and a HF brass or obx. You’ll appreciate the higher flow at .6 more than .4
@vhamly I totally understand why you are also confused with the Big Tree Tech Panda Revo High Flow Hotend.
I purchased BTT panda Revo Hotend, Panda Touch, Panda Branch, BTT LED upgrade and the Panda Claw all at the same time as when I purchased my P1S.
I installed the Panda Revo Hotend and right away I experienced a problem. So first off you have to make sure the wires are tucked away and clear the fan and hotend and also face the correct direction. Something BTT should fix either include a fan or set the wires in place. This leads to the second problem, with is the real problem. When you go to plug it into your Bambu Labs printer. If the cord does not line up just correctly with your printer it will give you a error message when you go to calibrate your printer. (I suggest when your installing it in printer remove the glass on top of printer and open the front door. Because you will need all the extra space you can get.)
As for the E3D Revo nozzles that is a whole other topic with in it self. It is kind of annoying that everytime you go to print you need to go into settings and change it to 35 - 40. (I normally just go with 37) But I wish that there was a actual way to either save it into system or Bambu Labs adds a update that allows your printer to recognize BTT panda hotend and automatically sets up the settings for you. Since there really aren’t any lists of setting files out there. So it’s kind of trial and error.
Then you have all the different E3D Revo Nozzles available currently there are 41 Nozzles available. (5) Brass from .15 -.80, (6) Brass High Flow from .40 - 1.4, (4) Obxidian from .25 - .80, (6) Obxidian High Flow from .40 - 1.4, (3) High Temp. from .40 - .80, (4) High Temp. Abrasive from .25 - .80, (6) High Flow High Temp. Abrasive from .40 - 1.4, (4) Diamondback from .25 - .80, and (3) Belt nozzles from .40 - .80. (But I don’t believe you can use the Belt nozzles with panda revo.)
With all these options it makes it very confusing what nozzles to purchase. Then add the fact that E3D doesn’t sell the nozzles you need in sets is really annoying. I am looking to get some E3D revo nozzles.
Also would like other peoples suggestions on what nozzles they would suggest and are the Diamondback nozzles worth the price? I have a feeling that E3D will be saying soon that they will be releasing High Flow Diamondback nozzles soon.
First, out of transparency I no longer use the Revo. It was ok, but the thermistor went in a blob and $55 or so for a replacement didn’t sit all that well.
I have since switched back to the E3D Bambu hotends. I had the Obxidian before the Revo and it was good. No great if you decided to push flow, not near what was shown. But it did produce nice quality and I liked it. I bought the Revo cause it was shiney and new.
Now I’m back to E3D and a Diamondback Bambu hotend. This is a tough one because I believe It’s stupid (I’m stupid) to pay such a price for a nozzle. However, it is very, very consistant and the quality is very good. I print a lot of abrasives and not having to worry is a great thing. It heats up quickly and holds temp. While it’s not “high flow” you can push flows up a bit.
Nothing sticks to it.
I’m sure the Diamondback Revo nozzle would behave exactly like it, I had thought about getting one.
I chose the Panda Revo Hotend for the convenience part of the Nozzle. I like the fact that you are able to change it easily at anytime. Plus it has the nice bonus feature if you have multiple 3D printers it’s cross compatible with other revo hotends.
But I have to agree the prices for these nozzles are ridiculous. Plus none of them can really call themselves a real game changer. So it’s crazy for them to be asking these prices $180 for each Diamondback Revo nozzle for that price E3D should be including a warrantee on those nozzles that they will last for years and if you have any issues they will replace them. Otherwise they aren’t worth the price, Just wait till a chaper game changer hits the market soon and you will see companys like that tank we all know that will happen.
I doubt there will ever be a warranty on the actual nozzles unless you can prove it’s defective, and even then you have to hope the manufacturer will make it right. Be aware, since it got brought up, that BTT will not help you after their 90 day or whatever it is period. They do not care at that point. I know.
It sounds like you had a bad experience with BTT. But if you had Panda Revo issues E3D is also at blame even thought they pretend that that they don’t sell that product or treat it like it doesn’t exist. I can’t say that E3D is any better of a company. I contacted them about ordering multiple nozzles and they could careless. They acted like I was doing them some kind of favor. They were not helpful at all, really makes me question there company. With poor custom service like that.
Also I have a feeling that Bambu Labs and BTT are affiliated with each other or will be in the future. Honestly wouldn’t shock me to learn that Bambu Labs is the mother company. Seeing how they release a lot of upgrades that are directly for Bambu Labs 3D printers and right after the panda revo hotend collaboration came out with E3D, Bambu Labs released a version. Also Both Big Tree Tech and Bambu Labs are both located in Shenzhen, China says a lot.
Actually it seems Bambu tolerates BTT.
BTT is a company that loves to be consistantly inconsistant. They don’t care about it either. You may get a good product, you may not. They may help you in that window, but they sure won’t outside of it.
I have a Panda Touch. It’s rebooted and had issues off and on since launch. They sent another board for the dock that helped for a bit, but in the end it died. Because I was outside that window they just wouldn’t help, although it had been a known issue. Even through the betas connection and rebooting issues were reported. They offered me a 30% discount.
I am a sucker for new and shiney things. I’ve purchased most the the Panda stuff, well the useful stuff. I have a Fystec (sp) extruder gear set, didn’t need the horribly named “Claw”, the Branch intriqued me for future use, I already have a 24v tap. The PWR may have some use, as long as it keeps running. The light is horrible. The fan shroud is absolutely no improvement, or minimal. I keep that on cause I don’t feel like changing it and it doesn’t hurt anything.
As for E3D, not apologizing for them, but I never planned on contacting them if any issue other than manufacturing defect.
They’re just too many variables. I’m glad that I decided not to go with the BTT revo hotend. Although I do still have three e3d nozzles, and nothing to do with them.
I wasn’t interested in changing settings, i just wanted easier nozzle swaps.
I hope that the new Bambu Lab flagship printer will have quick swap nozzles
I bought the Revo with the 0.6 & 0.4 nozzles with the intention of adding the 0.2 nozzle to my work flow to add further detail to certain prints if needed. But after using them I instead decided to cut my losses, & revert back to the bambu hardened steel ones I had on my P1S (0.6) and X1C (0.4).
Perhaps my cranial hilbert infill isn’t the most intricate out there but I was under the impression that the Panda Revo setup was meant to be avconvenience that makes switching nozzles easier but not at the cost of print quality. Right? While it also promised improved flow and performance, I was more than content with the stock hotends performance wise. All I needed from it was the added ability to quick swap nozzles to elevate my already high quality prints. But it did pretty much the opposite.
Firstly it was painful to install. And I say that as someone who’s built over a hundred pcs and as a maker who works with his hands almost every day. The thermistor and heater cables are much too rigid and ‘girthy’ making folding and tucking them between the heatsink and fan assembly an extremely unwieldy and unsatisfying experience. And once you squeeze it in there somehow after a few rounds of the “lets see if I can simultaneously get my fingers out of the way and the fan in its place” challenge, you’ll find that the connectors are exactly annoying millimeters long. Which is to say they reach. But barely. I put the extruder cover back already starting to regret the whole thing.
Then came the Thermal errors during calibration. Did all the usual troubleshooting. Again I was under the impression the revo was just drop in and print. But I had to downgrade to an older firmware to finally get it to function. And when it did, the temperature readings were inconsistent making all my older filament calibrations invalid & new ones unreliable.
It took me a weeks worth of wasted time & filament to realize how much worse my prints had become. I’d had enough. I switched back to the bambu and haven’t looked back since.
I found it pretty befitting that REVO is OVER in reverse as I reverted to the stock hotends, so over the entire ordeal.
So first off you have to make sure the wires are tucked away and clear the fan and hotend and also face the correct direction. Something BTT should fix either include a fan or set the wires in place. This leads to the second problem, with is the real problem. When you go to plug it into your Bambu Labs printer. If the cord does not line up just correctly with your printer it will give you a error message when you go to calibrate your printer. (I suggest when your installing it in printer remove the glass on top of printer and open the front door. Because you will need all the extra space you can get.)