You must be the only one who knows what hes talking about then. The rest of the world is wrong.
Well, you and jon raymond atleast. But he agrees with anybody who insults me in some way, while removing my posts because they mention a country by name.
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“Reliability High Very high”
I feel this alone could pay for the printer itself. Especially if youre pumping out medical products that are thousands of dollars. Made from custom materials that other printers cant handle.
One down week while waiting on a BL ticket could bankrupt someone.
And Hong Kong isnt a country either. Just so you know.
That’s correct.
But you can see that these are printers for two different target groups.
What I personally don’t like is when someone patents everything they can just because it occurred to them, and then maybe only uses a part of it in their own products and only makes products for a small group of users.
Stratasys was never a familiar name to me, it’s only now that they’re making a splash.
Over the last 16 months I’ve thought of a lot of ideas that could be improved on printers, for the Bambulab printers mainly an alternative automatic material feed, for others it’s mine have come up with better hardware controls for FDM printers that could significantly improve the prints. This also includes detecting the amount of material supplied, which could technically work.
Even though I don’t know anything about the patents, how many of my ideas could I safely implement? Perhaps the terms of patents should generally be limited. Or something else. There are too many people in the world who have the same or very similar ideas over a period of time, you can sometimes see that here on Makerworld.
Best regards!
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I agree with alot of that. Definitely need restructured so that a patent expires fast if not used or licensed out. There are thousands of individual people that hold patents for things that theyll never create. Probably hoping for a licensing deal or to sell the patent eventually. Theres also whole businesses that only deal with buying selling and licensing patents thatbit holds.
Its messy but needed. Should be constantly adjusted though.
Every business should also find any patents that they need to use and either colaborate or strike some sort licensing/royalty deal until those patents expire. Most companies do in fact do this and the ones that dont are kinda cheating to get ahead
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Yep. 
I sort of had missed that part… given it’s just an itsy bitsy tiny island 
True for copyrights, but not for patents. Copyrights must be actively defended in order to protect them. Patents however are valid for the life of the patent, regardless of active, inactive, or selective enforcement.
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What this lawsuit says is that Stratasys is afraid of what BL has do in a very short time on the market.
It seems that a number of Stratasys’ industrial clients are tired of paying the premium price that they demand for basically the same results as from BL’s devices tens of thousands of dollars vs $300-$1500.
In your opinion, which are the parts that wear-out most over time?
I’d say all parts classified as “consumables”, and add then belts, rollers and any mechanical moving parts available on BL shop, for both the printer and the AMS. Take it slow, starting with the consumables and move further to the mechanical parts and electronic boards. That’s how i begun and how i kept going… A little bit this month, a little bit the next, and a few months later you’ll have your basic replacement parts…Eventually, if you could afford it, you could purchase all consumables in one go (at least 2 of each) then purchase the rest every month until you get to have at least 2 of each. For consumables I’m already at 4 for each, for the rest I’m at 2 or 3 (a few) for each… still acquiring, according to BL parts availability in their shop.
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I’m absolutely brand new to this hobby, but when I saw this I immediately ordered 2 extra AMS. That may be a legitimate company, but having a legitimate product doesn’t make patent trolling any less trolly.
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Did you get the 4-way combiner? You will enjoy the extra AMS’ though. I have 2 total and would add a third if I had room.
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Yep I needed that for the two I already have (and I did remember to get the other extras needed for #3 and #4)… I always overkill hobby investments, why should this one be any different? 
As for space… yeah I’ll figure something out. I’m thinking maybe put one on top, and I’ll see if I can stack three vertically alongside the printer… on whichever side requires the least bending of the tubes.
Regarding the thread topic though, my thought is that even if the worst happens and they close up shop in the US at some point in the future, I would think we could still get consumables and parts through some third parties? The obvious downside being a higher price and maybe slower shipping.
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I used a Stratasys machine at an aircraft company for about 5 years. It spent most of its time waiting for a repair technician rather than printing. Overpriced hardware, overpriced materials, non-existent customer service. Complete joke, and they want to dominate the market. 
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If you are a family person, you have to ask yourself, do all the kids need to sleep indoors when you have printing equipment requiring a warm and safe environment?
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What will be the future of Bambu Labs and our printers in the wake of this anti-competition lawsuit from Stratasys?
Does the Bambu Labs community need to start an email-writing campaign to deluge Stratasys with complaints about their attack on our section of the 3D printer market?
Do we have recourse if they destroy our access to Bambu Labs hardware, software and spare parts?
Any thoughts or even legal advice would be welcome.
Dave M.
First off, Stratasys has initiated 2 lawsuits against BL, both for allegedly the breach of several of Stratasys’ IPR (intellectual property rights). And although the litigation is about IPR infringements, ultimately, it seems, these lawsuits are for two main reasons: (i) stop BL 3D printers to get into Stratasys’ (industrial) market share and (ii) to either bring down, or to acquire and to become majority shareholder on BL’s executive board. But if you’re really interested in learning more information on this topic, a more detailed discussion topic presenting elaborate arguments, including links to various documents and articles, could be found here: https://forum.bambulab.com/t/potential-painful-blow-to-fdm-printing-in-the-us/
As for the future of BL, let’s say, for the short term future (3 to 5 years and until a court ruling comes out), it will most likely be business as usual for BL. Long term future (5 to 10 years), that definitely depends upon a number of factors, some directly dependent on BL (R&D, sales, customer support, market, fulfilling customer needs and reasonable expectations…etc.), on the competitors, technological development, innovation, prices and availability, consumers’ interest and willingness to purchase, trends, etc… Plenty of factors to consider.
In other words, it will be a while until a court ruling will begin to have a real impact on BL, and such ruling is likely to have a limited effect (US only), although, should Stratasys win, the impact on BL might be more serious, if Stratasys gets controlling interest in BL.
And unless BL screws up big time with the much expected and rumored next 3D printer, like they keep doing with their customer support, I guess BL wil still be here and will still sell 3D printers… business as usual.
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Well, the acquisition of Bambu would be a nightmare for sure. Stratasys has acquired Makerbot and completely augered them in. Now they have also acquired Ultimaker and are in the process of making them worthless as well. Oh boy, I can hardly wait.
There’s also the possibility that Stratasys wants BL to pay licensing fees and/or royalties for using its patents in BL printers, costs which would most likely be reflected in higher prices for the end consumers… but at this point in time all these arguments are just speculations. Time will tell. Patience, young Padawan, patience. 
What’s really infuriating about these things is that they give no consideration to people like us who’ll pay some of the consequences of this nonsense.
Even if you believe patents and IP are legitimate, and BL did something ethically wrong, we the customers didn’t do anything wrong. What about our interests? I don’t expect to see much consideration there.
This IP stuff is completely out of control.