Print looks very worse with standard configuration

Hi,

since the “Black-Week” i am in the X1C community and start printing last weekend. First I tested the PLA-CF (black) which is in the case included. I purchased original PLA Basic in grey from Bambulab to have another PLA in my AMS. After I switched to PLA Basic the problems with printing started. As you can see in the image the model is not looking very nice. I do not have any idea, why this issue appear. I do not have changed anythin in the configuration and printing in the Standard configuration.

PLA Basic grey
Bambu Cool Plate
0.4mm Nozzle
Printing speed “Standard”

If I print the same model in printing speed “quiet” it looks very nice. Can you explain why Bambulab not configurate this into each filament?
How can I change the printing result with the “default” configuration?

Did you allow the “Flow Dynamics Calibration” to run at the start of the print?

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Yes of course the “Flow Dynamics Calibration” run at the start of every print. I give the slow print a chance and see exactly the same issues as in the pictrue on the first 15 layers and stop the print.

In the AMS i have 25 °C and 30% humidity.

Have you performed the Automatic Flow Calibration? I ask as the print has under extrusion problems.

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And with 30% humidity in the AMS, chances are the PLA-CF is not exactly dry. I keep mine at the hygrometer min of 10%. Once it goes to 11%, I know the desiccant is no longer able to extract moisture faster than it gets in and needs to be dried.

Also, I tend to routinely go slow. Better 1 good print than 2 bad ones in a given time.

I will give this a try tomorrow afternoon.

Ok I will try to dry down the inside of the AMS to 10%.
But the picture from the print is with PLA Basic from Bambulab.

Ah, ok. Moisture may still be an issue though. But I still expect the most immediate improvement will come from going slower.

And as Jon mentioned, there appears to be local underextrusion. Since you are using flow calibration, that could point towards other problems. But going slower would help with the diagnosis.

Keeping my thumbs pressed and :crossed_fingers:

Unfortunately the automatic calibration doesn’t work somehow. Unfortunately, as of today, the printer also regularly clogs up. I have now unclogged it again (PLA-CF black). If I now control the extruder manually and let some filament escape, you can see that the filament doesn’t run straight down but instead “pulls up” directly on the sides of the tip. How can I prevent this or is this normal?

The printer is less than a week old. That can’t actually be normal. The first 40 layers worked without any problems and after that no more filament comes out. The automatic unloading of the filament also fails.

When the printer wants to add new filament you will see the big yellow gear stall. Is the filament perhaps too moist and should be dried?

That both looks and sounds like first a partial and then a full nozzle clog. You’ll probably want to try the manual cold pull (point 3 in the wiki on nozzle clog). The automatic version never worked for me.

I have not yet used CF reinforced filament, but it is said to be much more hygroscopic. Also, while .4 nozzles are said to work, .6 nozzled are recommended to prevent full an partial clogging.

I have now unclogged the nozzle again. Let’s see if printing with PLA works better now.

I didn’t know that a 0.6mm nozzle is required for PLA-CF. I just don’t understand why it’s included in the starter package.
Is it normal that the printers don’t look perfect from the start? I’m a little confused because I thought with the lidar sensor everything would be controlled from the print start.

I cleaned the nozzle with the point 3 and the filament runs out as expected.
Because the prints does not show good i started the calibration of the flow rate. But every print from Step 1 looks totally like trash. I searched on Google for this error and they say the nozzle is clog.

Did you have any other ideas why the calibration print looks like trash?

Quick thing to check is to take the sock off and see if the thermal grease is still greasy. If it’s chalky, then that’s been dried and baked and will need replacing. It’s rare, but worth a quick peek.

I hope I understood you correctly.

You mean the white paste right? When the print head is cold, it is solid as a rock. Is that right or wrong?

Should not be solid. Should be annoyingly lotion-clingly and get all over your fingers and in strange orifices in your body. Bambu’s video shows what it should look like when you pulled that sock off.

The 0.6mm is not required. It is just recommended as clogs are more likely with particle loaded filaments in a 0.4mm nozzle. I am also not sure why the PLA-CF is included in the starter package. The CF changes thermal properties and has an effect on mechanical properties and of course look and feel of the object, but where I am concerned about properties I usually look at alternative, unloaded and hence cheaper materials.

I assume you mean the prints? Well, Bambu claims in their ad’s NOT to have made the perfect printer. It is just the case that for consumers, the X1C brought (near) professional performance into our budgets + the AMS + a (more or less usable) speed revolution. So no wonder that the 3D printing world got all excited (me included :slight_smile: ). As an anecdote, I recently visited an R&D institute where an X1C was happily chugging along a bunch of Ultimakers. That says quite something about this printer. Still, they were all going at what would be the Bambu’s slow setting. → So no. 3D printing is not yet plug-and-play. Still a lot of plug-and-do-practical-problem-solving.
The LIDAR is, imho, underused so far. It is not strictly neccessary for bed levelling and manual calibration (in particular when compared to options in the Orca slicer). Still it has so far served me well for PLA and PETG with its convenience. Needs to be kept clean though. Both the emitters and the receiver. And can be impaired by bright lights in the room.

Was this with the PLA or the PLA-CF? Did you also dry the filament? If the AMS did read 30%, the filament is probably soaked. Now having 10% in the AMS, it would still leave the filament soaked. They can be dried in the printer or a filament dryer though.

Not sure what you mean here. Do you have a link to what you refer to as stage 1? And do you have a pic?

A new clog or only partially removed clog is quite possible. But then it would have to be rather small since you reported normal filament flow earlier or it happened between your observation and the calibration. Then there’s nothing to it but to unclog again (using the Allen key method, the automated one never worked for me).

Still, without a pic, it is all speculation. A pic would help to differentiate between, for example, bed adhesion issues and filament flow issues. If the plate (which one are you using?) was not cleaned with water and soap, that is a very common reason for immediate fails. And yes, glue helps on some of the plates. It can however be over- and underused. I myself used far too much on my first prints.

It could be thermal paste issue which, as partferret mentioned, is rare though. The paste is needed to enable temperature control. If that is impeded by brittle paste AND be sufficiently severe to cause clogs, you’d most likely be able see clearly wrong temperature nozzle temps. And probably an error code. Or you will very soon. There are a few threads here in the forum. With the printer being new, you could try getting a new hotend assembly from Bambu if that could be confirmed.

Either way, keep in mind that 3D printing is not (yet) plug-and-play. Perhaps, you will want to stick to the PLA Basic prints initially, taking it slow, both with the print speed and the learning curve until you gain confidence and experience. There are quite nice and impressive PLA Basic prints you can do for that. Slice parts yourself rather than using print profiles to better understand what is happening and in general, do not take it for granted that anything works out of the box in 3D printing.
From my experience, the X1C is much more forgiving to what I had in the past. But it clearly does require stepwise learning once moving on from PLA Basic and comfortable speeds.

Keeping my :crossed_fingers:

Ok I think I will get a extra nozzle in the future for this :wink:

Yeah i mean the prints.
I know that 3D printing is not plug-and-play, but I had high hopes for the lidar sensor. Hopefully they will use it in feature releases more.

Both. The first print was mit PLA-CF but looks good, but after that everything looks not really like a good printing result. The filament is dry and in the AMS i currently have 15%. So you mean I have to dried all filament from the AMS?

I mean the first step of the calibration via Bambu Studio for flow rate.
Currently I have no picture of the result.

I don´t think the nozzle clog again, because the filament flow straight out of the nozzle after the last unclog.

The bed adhesion is very good and I am currently using the cold plate for the PLA Basic grey. I cleaned the plate with water and soap and not using any glue at the moment. The first layer sticks to the board very well and so I don’t actually need it. The glue stick is only to getting object off the printing plate right?

Ok, but it’s a bit strange that the area around the nozzle is completely dry, isn’t it? I haven’t had any error messages about this yet.

I will now do the following

  • Try to dry the PLA filament
  • Next i will try to use the standard configruation for the PLA
  • On the print I will use the glue stick for more bed adhesion
  • And i will update the support ticket on bambu lab store

Me too. It is somewhat limited due to its resolution but still, there are more parameters it could be used for.

That is definitely sensible. Nowadays, filament can come out of a new bag fully saturated. So it is a good idea to always dry a roll before putting it in. Also, I keep my AMS at the absolute minimum. As soon as it can measure an increase (11% in my case), I know that moisture is getting in faster than the desiccant can remove it and dry my desiccant (not using the bambu desiccant anymore as there’s microwaveable desiccant on amazon).

That is a bit of a puzzler. While a straight flow does not neccessarily mean that there is no unwanted residue in the nozzle, flow curling is a frequent indicator. At the same time however, you do not seem to have bed adhesion issues. However, it is usually fairly straightforward to differentiate the two failure types. If it is underextrusion (i.e. patchy lines but adhering well to the plate), you are likely to have a nozzle problem. If it is plate adhesion, the material will be going all over the place.

No. It also helps adhesion a little. It is not as good as the liquid glue, but a thin film is slightly better than nothing.

Not really. The paste is only needed exactly in the interfaces with the heater and the thermocouple. Everywhere else, it is not desired as there’s not much point in transferring heat to the silicone sock and we do not want surplus paste to go into the print. More important is the consistency though. It can get brittle which is when problems start.

That is a very sensible way forward. I would really recommend to print slow. For PLA I usually halve all speeds and lower accelerations to ~25%. Takes longer, but I feel better after a good print than two bad ones. And I can rule out dynamic effects in troubleshooting.
And of course look and listen closely in particular at the start of the print. How is the print failing, what nozzle temperature is actually displayed, are temps stable, etc.

The included PLA-CF teaches everyone how to track down broken filament in the AMS and extruder :stuck_out_tongue: Also teaches how to use the manual spool bypass.