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Right now basic price of x1c is $1500 in USA. I can get a lot of printer elsewhere for $1500. It is unfortunate, because i do like the one x1c i do have (bought for $1100 new).
Oh well. I think this will have a big impact on Chinese sales. All trump was asking was for a representative from china to come discuss lowering their high tarriffs on US goods…

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It wouldn’t have even been enough unfortunately and China knows it. The problem is not the tariffs imposed on US goods but the fact that Trump used the trade deficit as his credo. To equalize trade, China would have to purchase oil, gas, cars from the US, give US companies a certain volume of China public contracts and what not, something that will never happen. The trade war will continue for a long time unless US companies which all rely heavily on China imports say STOP but whether Trump will listen to them is doubtful. China just have to wait, US will suffer a lot sooner than China because it would take years (decades) before US companies can build a domestic supply chain. Goods will surely become VERY expensive which will even increase trade deficit with eveybody else in the world, this is a vicious cycle.

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You give him too much credit. It was all for showing his followers he has the BDE - which he did - but wrong D.

It’s hard to say how long this will last or what if anything it has done to the way Bambu wants to sell to the US markets. I tend to think it won’t last that long. There’s so much stuff made in China that the US imports that even if the carveout for laptops/chips/phones/etc announced Friday and denied yesterday is real, there will still be massive pushback as shelves empty and prices rise.

But it’s anyone’s guess how it shakes out. It’s no fault of Bambu’s though. There’s lots of US companies in the same boat too with all the other Chinese companies. I think all the impacts for US companies and citizens will be the pry bar to force this being fixed though.

Everyone gets to decide for themselves how to deal. Wait, buy something else, or any other options there may be.

This whole tariff thing was totally unnecessary and is messing with world economies. Maybe next election people will put more thought into who they choose to run the country. Or not.

In the mean time, if this has interfered with your job or livelihood, or you just don’t like it, call and write your senators and representatives and tell them. They can actually help by applying pressure (if nothing more than emptying a sack of complaints on some congressional floor). We other board members can’t do squat. But if all the people burned by this lunacy complain to the right people, maybe it can be resolved faster?

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I think that the massive sell-off of US Treasury bonds (& stocks), with clear and dire consequences for the US economy and market, have forced Trump to take a step back and state a 90 day delay on global tariffs.
Trump acknowledged that the bond market played a role in his decision Wednesday to put a 90-day pause on many tariffs, saying investors “were getting a little queasy.”
If indeed it was the Treasury bond market sell-off, and not stocks, that made him change course, it wouldn’t come as a surprise, at least not to me.

The Treasury bonds sell-off at such a large scale triggers direct implications for regular US people, since rising yields drive up interest rates for mortgages, credit cards and just about any other consumer loan. If confidence in the US Treasury continues to erode, the U.S. may find itself paying more to finance its debt, exacerbating fiscal pressures at a time of persistent deficits and geopolitical tension.

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That’s already happening and will likely just get worse.

We have much bigger problems to be dealing with than self-inflicted wounds.

Oh well. He said there would be some pain. :flushed:

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Rabbit hole warning: google Fractinal Reserve Banking. It’s how entire Banking system/economy works, at least in the US. Magic money becomes real when there’s enough people believe in the magic.

Back to the topic, I purchased a bunch P1S for $599 each in last September when the news confirmed Biden was going to sign Trump 1st term China tariffs.

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China has just suspended all due Boeing aircraft deliveries, including spares and other related stuff, and things appear to worsen by the day.

China halted all Boeing aircraft deliveries .

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nothing to add, sorry.

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The thing is, reasoning cannot be applied in this situation because it’s not based on logic and fact-based decisions. The number of times I’ve thought “there’s no way that …” only to be proven wrong by another even more ridiculous, absurd, terrifying revelation, has become too far-fetched for even a White Lotus script.

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We’re not all idiots… :woozy_face:

To quote the late, great George Harrison, “All things shall pass.”

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…that’s fine, for as long as we won’t have to pass with them …:grin:

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This is not much of a leverage as chinese airlines purchase just very few Boeing aircraft as they’re huge Airbus customers and future orders are mainly either Airbus or COMAC their domestic airframer. They will also not have much choice on spares on already delivered Boeings as apart from some specific systems (entertainment, seats, etc), rest is sold directly by Boeing with no other option.

For comparison, Boeing has 130 aircraft backlog with China when they have 6,200 for the rest of the world.

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Always keep your sense of humor!

Elect a Clown, Expect a Circus :rofl:

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I had a reply for this phrase in the same vein, but with a different context that was so rude I decided not to write it, as it would get me banned for life.

Unrelated to the orange one.

If anyone has a dark sense of humour, vulgarity, and you don’t mind swearing, reach out, and I will DM it.

Or, ignore this, I am good either way.

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According to some news sources Boeing is looking at loosing 1.5 billion because of China’s action. Don’t know if that includes the cost of things already manufactured that suddenly aren’t going anywhere (maybe they can use them for other orders they haven’t been able to fill?). 1.5B may not be much to an individual like Musk but to a for-profit corp already slammed with safety problems and share holders who want dividends it hurts.

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@TonyKZ1
Anthony, for a barely registered user you seem very opinionated about the :orange_circle::poop:… which is fine. You are entitled to your opinions and you may disagree and add as many :-1: to my posts, as you like. However,
your disagreement won’t change the facts or his deeds, nor how these are viewed by the rest of the world. When the :poop: will truly hit the ceiling fan you will eventually get it. Until then, you’re welcome to thumb down as much as you like, buddy.

My last off-topic Malc, I swear…

Yes I’m sure although that loss is spread across several years of deliveries if nothing changes till then but what I’m saying is leverage to Trump policy not Boeing itself. US imports every year from China more than 400B so whatever non Boeing imports from China will not change a bit of the trade deficit one way or the other.

Count me in, sent me that DM :slight_smile:

You must not be from USA, Trump doesn’t do anything unless Congress approves. If Congress says NO, it’s NO. Congress wants the tariffs, more then Trump. They like Trump getting the credit no matter the cost.

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I am from the USA but are you? Trump is issuing executive orders specifically to BYPASS congress. He can go as fast as his tiny fingers can scribble out a signature with his crayon. Congress doesn’t have a say except to challenge the orders after the fact.

Haven’t you seen him over and over holding up those pages with his signature on them? Those are executive orders.

And it’s “than”. Not “then”.

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Congress can over ride an executive order, they did it before. And he doesn’t have someone else use an electronic pen, It seems Congress approved that.

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