Sponsored Advertising, Patreons, and Exclusives

the TLDR is: Should designers be allowed to post sponsored ad spots on their designs here, considering that Makerworld is ad-free? (except internal advertising for their own printers ofcourse)

I quite like that Makerworld doesn’t have ads, and I sure as hell don’t want to see ads for PCBway and other junk like that on here.

it’s bad enough that everyone and their dog is starting to remove files and paywall them through patreon, or on competitor sites like Thangs/Printables Clubs

This person is already a Featured creator, has had official Bambu posts promoting their projects in the past, a Patreon and Thangs to paywall their stuff (some of which was formerly on mw under CC but was removed to be put behind patreon) and now has a PCBWay ad on their upload.

Some of their exclusives have links to patreon/thangs for commercial licensing too which I thought wasn’t allowed for Exclusive program stuff (but i could be wrong on that one) Skull Clicker Fidget Toy Keychain by Valeria Momo & Mattia - MakerWorld

I don’t want ads here and I especially don’t want sponsor spots

/grumble

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I’d say that falls under the Makerworld community guidelines.

7. Do not post advertising information or links on your account name, description, pictures, etc. Affiliate links or other promotional materials included in your bio are not allowed.

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That’s not his Bio…

It’s a same using MW like that.

I’d say it falls under “.etc”, but I suppose if that’s not good enough, then I’d put it under spam since it’s unsolicited commercial advertising.

  1. Spam & deceptive practices such as:
    - Fake engagement
    - Impersonation
    - External links (tracking, promotional, other model platforms)
    - Spam, deceptive practices & scams

It’s pretty obvious that external advertising isn’t wanted.

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I’d personally say that it shouldn’t be allowed. If I can’t post a clearly labeled affiliate link, she shouldn’t be able to post a full blown ad (which might actually just be an affiliate link).

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Uhhhhhhh Thangs and Printables are “other model platforms” - technically external links covers patreons and even social media accounts. Perhaps @MakerWorld can clarify what links are allowed and what links are not. Some options are:
(Checkmarks denote which ones I think should be allowed). Copy the list in a reply with that you think should be allowed (and reasons) if you agree. Use - [] to make a checkbox. Put an X in-between the [] to make a check. Remove to uncheck it.

  • Patreon/Buy Me a Coffee/PayPal
  • Affiliate Links
  • Links to sponsors
  • Thangs
  • Printables Clubs
  • Instagram, X, Reddit, Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, and similar social media platforms

That’s all I thought of. Again, copy this in a

There’s how I interpret the rules and regulations. How correct or incorrect I am can be subject to debate. There is some flavor of personal opinion within these words too, so be warned.

I believe the rules are geared towards shady behavior. Undisclosed links and items put up for the sole purpose of advertising, and that otherwise bring no value to the platform. They don’t want you spamming amazon affiliate links undisclosed and without any purpose. They don’t want you putting google ads in your descriptions that have nothing to do with the object itself. They don’t want you to put up a demo object with a description that says come to our site if you want the real thing.

I think Makerworld recognizes that people have a want and need to make money from the content they design. They need to balance those needs with their platform, and what they can find acceptable and doesn’t hurt the goals of the platform.

I think this stuff is allowed where appropriately disclosed and relevant. That means if it’s disclosed that it’s affiliate links and links to corresponding stuff (Like specific hardware). I don’t necessarily think it’s a sin either, if you have a sponsor. I’m not so sure what PCBWay has to do with that clicker, to be frank, so I’m not sure I feel it’s appropriate in this situation.

I was contacted by PCBWay about doing a sponsorship. I have a specific project in mind too that’d be great for that. It’d require a custom PCB and stuff. It’s something I kind of put off, because it would have required skills in electronics, and I’ve been focused on designing stuff that’d be easy for others to assemble. When PCBWay contacted me, it got me thinking, oh, this could be an avenue to make this project much more approachable. If I follow through with that project, I would want to partner with PCBWay, and that would include having that info in the description. It would be important though, because that would be my guidance for getting the PCBs easily!

So, I think there’s room for this stuff. I don’t think we should just shun it all. I don’t know that we’ll always see the best or appropriate uses, but I think there’s still a lot of cases where it’s warrant.

In the general sense of a sponsorship helping to fund a project, I’m not sure. The reality is, this stuff can take A LOT of work. Like I haven’t put anything out in a minute, not because I’m not doing anything, but because I’m taking on larger and larger projects. These things are costly to develop at times; especially when you’re not getting paid for it. (And as I dedicate my time to larger projects, I’m slipping behind on Makerworld in another sense, since my steady flow of releases is trickling, so my traffic slows too) If I pick up extra work in my day job, the hour rate I can make far exceeds what I can pull out of Makerworld, out of my whole collection.

I personally don’t feel a sponsorship is something to scorn. Any of this monetization stuff. We want amazing stuff on here, right? This is part of that, part of what it takes. All of us designers, we have lives we need to fund and support, so we can afford to eat and live too. We want to be able to bring amazing, jaw dropping, fun, outlandish, projects to you, to everyone! Stuff like this is giving us the tools to be able to dedicate more time and energy into projects like that.

I know it’s annoying, or can be, especially when people are shady with these things. Something I realized with watching youtube though is, well, yeah. There’s a lot of hard work that goes into things, more so than people might sometimes realize. We want all of this stuff for free, but we need to let the content creators be empowered to support themselves too, so they can provide this content for free.

(edit added) These topics obviously cover me too. My personal preference is to not beat you over the head with any of it, but I have all my avenues too with which I’m trying to use to help generate income for myself. I very much hope that it isn’t a problem, and I don’t want to someday come on here and see a thread like this talking about me. :sweat_smile: I want to find that balance we can all find acceptable.

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I don’t personally care or have a stake in people listing sponsorships or affiliate links. Given the vagueness of the Makerworld rules, it doesn’t really allow posting of those things. It would probably be worth refining their policy to specifically outline their stance on this subject. If allowing sponsorships and advertising affiliate links brings quality content, then I’m not opposed to it.

I don’t see Makerworld allowing links that direct people away from Makerworld like the user the OP noted above. The patreon link makes sense, so you can purchase a commercial license if you want to sell their models. The Thangs link directs you to their profile where you can download the models from instead of Makerworld. That’s redirecting user engagement away from the site and I’m pretty sure that’s going to be frowne dupon.

Well my stance is very similar to what @Josh-3D laid out very clearly.

I do have patreon and buy me a coffee links, the patreon was driven by people actually asking for commercial license, and given that we as creators are sharing our work for free for personal use, it’s only fair that we are able to generate income from a commercial use

In terms of sponsorships, I also don’t object to them, I’ve been lucky to have been sponsored a couple of times by filament brands - no money exchanged, just providing a few rolls of filament - and I think it’s only fair that we give the brands props for that on the models that were made possible by using those filaments, with prototypes and final prints in different materials / colors you go through a lot of filament

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I haven’t used any of these yet, but based on some basic understanding:

  1. Link to Buy Me a Coffee should be ok.

  2. Link to Patreon should be ok for non-exclusive models. For MW exclusive models, I think it runs against the rule of both MW and Patreon. Models that are offered to Patreon backers are meant to be exclusive to them only while MW exclusive models are meant for MW users only.

  3. I think MW is going to have problem with affiliate links and sponsor links because they have nothing to gain from it. Maybe someday MW will try to get some revenue from advertsing but then companies will have to go through MW, not individual creators.

  4. As a general rule, refrain from naming specific users in a public forum. If one believes an account breaks rules, report it to MW and try to have it resolved through that channel first. The one possible exception to this rule would be that an acocunt or accounts engage in apparent intentional violations on a mass scale, or persistent rule violations from the same account(s) without any actions from MW.

disagree with this, what exclusive means is that it’s not posted on other repositories, I don’t have models in patreon (well i have a couple but the ones i have are only there), the commercial license in patreon is for people to be able to sell the prints they make from the models that are published in makerworld, and the standard digital license is what governs that, not the exclusivity

I haven’t used Patreon, the opening caveat to my post :).

I have been under the impression that the way Patreon works is that a creator offers backers exclusive models in exchange for their subscription. If there are new ways of using Patreon, such as offering backers commercial license only and the models are not hosted on Patreon and are not required to be exclusively available to the backers, then my knowledge of Patreon is outdated.

yep you can do both ways, what i personally do is make available the commercial license only, the models themselves are not there, they are on makerworld and printables (and some only on makerworld as they are exclusive)

but indeed you can also list products that you then make available only to your patreons, that is not my preferred method, i like sharing with the community, but then of course if someone wants to sell them and make money from it, they’ll need to subscribe to the commercial membership, which is what allows that to happen

I do a commercial license through my Patreon, and that’s all my Patreon is setup for. I’ve thought about offering exclusive content there, but I don’t want to lock anything behind a paywall (other than the commercial license, since that involves making money).

My goal is that everything I make can be freely gotten. Y’all are paying enough for filament and hardware, haha. That’s why I’m keen on stuff like sponsorships, affiliate links, or heck even the exclusive program, because it offers an avenue to keep those goals with everything else I’ve got to manage in life.

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Yesterday realized i had a link to thangs, for zack for his gridfinity. Seems little silly cannot credit someone. world turns and we are here spinning i quess.

Yeah, that seems like a tricky situation that makes it difficult to create hard rules for.

You should be able to provide appropriate credit if you are not trying to just create an underhanded promotion for personal gain.

I don’t think that’s an issue. You’re not being dishonest or sleezy, and you’re not taking away from the value of the platform. You’re providing something to the platform while giving credit where it’s due.

Here’s an example from printables where I think no real value is added to the platform, and it’s the sort of thing I think Bambu would want to discourage on their platform; with the way their rules read to me.

This is a 3d sets posting. This one bothers me, and I’ve mentioned it in these sorts of discussions too. I think it’s just cheap advertising and doesn’t provide any worth or value to the platform. All it is, is an advertisement to direct you to somewhere else. I personally think it’s gross, despite being a fan of 3dsets.

This is the way it should be done, I feel. The Landy Mini. It serves to help advertise them as a company, but it also gives back to the community that they’re advertising too. It’s not a bait and switch. It’s an awesome model.

I like this example because it’s models from the same company that I think showcase the best and worst ways to “advertise” in a community like ours.

I think with any of this, you need to ask yourself first, what value are you bringing to the platform? If a user stumbles across your object, and doesn’t click any of the links, will they still find value in what you’ve posted?

Like the above linked examples. That model 1 rancher posting. If we got rid of the description and everything, and were only left with the model… there’s no real value there for anyone.

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i’ll take note for future posts, i had seen it happening a lot here and thought it to be okay, but will adjust accordingly

I think attributing someone else’s work is fine, as that’s the whole point of remixing and is allowed on makerworld, there’s even an option when you upload a file to say whether it’s a remix or an original model (making an original model as part of a system would still count as original, and attributing the system it belongs to would fit as well

I think in your example, what wouldn’t necessarily fly by the rules is making something as part of gridfinity and telling people to go support zack’s patreon, just attributing is fine and it can be up to them if they want to support him

My original post is specifically about a sponsored ad spot, it has its own ad box that reads like an ad and everything.

I reference Patreon/thangs (and not buymeacoffee) because patreon and thangs are used to gate the content, whereas buymeacoffee is for just supporting someone if you feel like it (though they are trying to add in patreon styled tiers and things recently)

I will offer that @Josh-3D and others have a great view on how to do it. If that’s how it would be done I personallly wouldn’t be bothered at all. I pay for things.

I (like always) want to throw a wrench in the works though. Josh states “not scummy”. This IS MakerWorld though. Nothing has worked as it should. If there’s a way to make a buck someone WILL abuse it, BL will be slow to address it, and when it does it will be a cycle to start all over again.

And the ones to get hurt are those like you. I believe if you come up with something cool you should get paid, or appreciated, or be able to appreciate someone. Given MW past I think you’ll have a bunch of headaches while doing it.

ADs, real ADs will drive me away. An affiliate link, buy me a coffee, “hey my pateron is here” type things are cool. PCBWay is annoying enough when watching vids, don’t wanna see while looking for models.

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