Support interface layer messing up outerwall


I have been unable to find a way to print a simple model with consistent support and outer walls.
In the images above, you can see two lines corresponding to the support interface layers.
Printing without supports results in a perfect outer wall, but the overhang is messed up, rendering it useless.
If I don’t print the small hole supports, only 1 outer flawed line appears.
If I use PETG for supports instead of PLA, there is no difference.
Increasing the wall loops to six makes no difference.
Adjusting the “Top interface separation” setting has no effect.
Changing the “order of wall” printing has no impact and sometimes makes it worse.
I have printed this model over ten times without success.

Can anyone suggest a solution?

Thanks.

Hi,

Can you check the layer speed, time and flow within the slicer preview?
Look for some non-uniform regions. E.g.:

Other than that, are the support interface regions solid layers?
Usually, this uneven region does not result in significant artifacts, yet it depends on the filament. Which type are you using?

Yes, the layer speed is slower, but corresponds to the support interface layer.

Flow is consistent.

I’ve tried a number of filaments, and all exhibit some artefacting. The red in the above image is a manually calibrated eSun Silk PLA.

Interface is 2 layers and in my last print it was using PETG:

Ok.
It seems you found the cause.

Regarding solutions, the goal is to make them as homogeneous as possible, i.e. avoiding significant changes within a layer.
I usually slow down, but there are limits.
So, if you are printing fast, you may try to reduce speed and assess the effect.

If you need other solutions, you can tune other variables:

  • layer height - either changing the thickness or using the adaptive feature - note that for the former, the filament is critical (see below), and the adaptive layer height can be a double-edged sword.
  • The filament specs are critical, especially regarding layer time and MFR values. I would avoid messing with these values, but if necessary, I would increase the minimum layer time and reduce MFR.
  • Extruding temperature and cooling fans can be tuned to make layer thermal expansion/contraction more homogeneous.

Thanks, however, I am still unsure how to solve the problem. The cause, I know is the support, but should I change?

I am still seeing the issue… so no change.
I have:
Decreased speed, everything is 50 m/s
Increase temp. 15c
image


Ok. I will try to reproduce a similar part and see if I can help.
By the way, why don’t you flip the print?

Thank you. Flipping the model did the trick with both an inner and outer brim. Theoretically, only one line touches the build plate, but it worked. I can’t believe I wasted so much time and filament without realizing the obvious solution.

Thanks again.

I am glad that it worked.
I was so focused on the wall that I missed the overall geometry.

I looked at your print bulge, and while I expect some surface artefacts from non-uniform layer time, flow or speed, yours are pretty noticeable.
I had a similar case, but related to the point being paused by about 10 hours due to the filament being stuck in the AMS.
I did a minor test, 1/4 of a part “similar” to yours, using the default 0.2mm print preset, except for adding the option support and changing the infill to gyroid.
I use a standard PLA filament Sunlu Meta dry, with flow rate and pressure advanced calibrated. With this, I mean that I didnt tune the print settings for better quality.
Similar to your case, the print preview shows uneven layer times:

As expected, these zones are on the print surface. Yet, overall, there are no significant bumps on the surface (also, no fancy photos ).

I have no experience with silk filament, nor do I have it at home for testing, and maybe this is the cause. If not, you can benefit from maintenance/tuning on the mechanical movement parts for better results.

Thanks for the follow up. Your print looks clean.
My prints show 3 lines and they jut out approx 0.2~0.4mm.


Cross section:

Happy to upload the stl or 3mf somewhere if you would like it.