Please keep posts on-point for Tangled filament only. This is not about where to find the cheapest filament, etc. The goal is to specifically discuss performance of Tangled filament and its usefulness.
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I’ve seen that too, and seems to not be any better with this filament. 
My bad i must of mis read the link provided about driving down prices
Have you tested with other plates like Textured and Smooth PEI?
After having finished the calibrations (temps need to be adjusted for Bambu printers) I am now trying on the textured PEI plate. So far no first layer separation or dislodging. 
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Can you tell me your results for calibration? Also how fast could I expect it to print?
I assume the settings will be the same for Smooth PEI bed
- filament profile based on PLA High Speed
- changes: first layer 255C, other layers 250C
I’m printing up to 300mm/s at those temps, so far looking good. You will probably get better layer adhesion around 200mm/s.
Tangled recommends the following:
Tangled PLA should be printed at:
200-235C if printing at 35-50mm/s (Old Prusa or Creality)
235-255C if printing at ~100mm/s (BambuLab High Speed)
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That is a really high temp for PLA, I use 210C for PolySonic PLA Pro…
I think it would be fine printing at 300mm/s as long as you use Bambu Liquid Glue or something similar (I bought one tube of liquid glue 4 months ago)
I’m not sure how close it is to “standard” PLA , as this is their own in-house formulation, maybe they have fewer additives or something like that, as their normal printing temp seems a bit higher than other PLAs which usually start around 190C (or maybe they have hardener additives, I don’t know?).
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They stated that they use pure pla, no “hardener additives”:
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Here’s what a 24h print looks like using the Tangled PLA:
The textured PEI plate worked wonderfully even with all the tall objects.
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afaik, most of the raw pla feedstock originates from the USA (China is not known for growing corn). If you print with pla, Then it would be wise to subscribe to the tangled subscription, since in future, the price will be far cheaper than any imported filament. (I’m in UK, so no skin in this game). I’m fairly certain, since it is used in their own print farm, once you have the settings, then it will give consistent results. btw, I printed that in matt pla. After some severe tightening of the spool holders, the threads split apart, I redesigned those parts with much thicker sections. I expect yours will be fine, being non matt.
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Many companies use additives to increase the fluidity of their PLA so you don’t have to run at a higher temperature to get higher speeds. This typically weakens the filament.
So, if you’re ok with that and want to pay $14 more per roll, then get the polysonic. If you want more strength at a better price, get Tangled.
As for spool size, my understanding is the vast majority of their printers are fed by external spools. Since they are producing filament for their printers as the priority and then making extra for sale, I wouldn’t expect them to worry about AMS compatibility, just quality and then price to reduce their overhead. At their scale, If they can produce filament for a few bucks per kg, that will make a HUGE difference in their profits.
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And people wanting to use ams with 3kg spools can hang the spool above ams or re-spool kg spool into 3x1kg spool (Rossero’s ams compatible spool is great for respooling and ams compatible )
That’s the plan working on printing a Pastamatic using the Tangled filament. Dogfooding.
I already use Polysonic PLA Pro, I think it might be a bit overpriced but okay overall (especially strength)
Ok, couple tidbits of data, some gathered from my very expensive run through UCLA, the rest just by doing stuff:
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Tangled is a concept and an attempt to disrupt the market, they are not a filament making company, this is a side project by one of the lads there that had enough juice to make it happen. I understand his goals, and applaud them. Keep in mind where they are located and it will make a bit more sense. American Manufacturing HAS TO improve. If it doesn’t we will continue into a debt spiral with China.
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China graws a metric fug tonne of corn, they just don’t export it. EVERYONE grows corn, you can see corn fields in mongolia from google earth. Dimple corn (Feed corn, horse corn etc etc) is a huge crop in bloody California (who out grows Japan for Rice as well) It represents more of your diet than you could even begin to understand. I have worked around this stuff most my life and am still regularly shocked to see where it’s effects ripple out to.
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No one owes any business anything, they are trying to get your dollars for their goods. If you believe the chain of responsibility flows in any direction besides this, you need to rethink how you use your money… Or hire a good financial manager. Or be like me who has way too little impulse control and maintain your debt free status by having his wife manage all the money because I get focused on something and spend whatever I have available to accomplish a goal, be it profitable or not.
As for tangled, my order is in, I don’t do a whole lot with standard PLA, but when I do, it is generally black or white, and there is a lot of prototypes heading to the grinder before I am done. so already built me a custom feed system in a dry box to go to my primary prototype producer…
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I’ll throw in my .02 since at this point we primarily use Tangled Filament for our print farm. We currently run a slew of P1S and X1C printers and a few other printers. They are all fed by a 3KG spool of Tangled Filament hanging from an arm. I have burned through at least 60-80kgs at this point. I honestly don’t know how much we have used but were on our third or fourth order and this round we ordered another 35 rolls of 3kg spools.
Pros: Its cheap. Subscription means you get free shipping. You sub, you order, you cancel until you order again. Annoying sure, but as a company who loses their ass on shipping all the time i can respect trying to cover the difference.
Compared to Polymaker (which we use as well) I actually get less tangles, ironically. Again, we are using large 3-5kg spools, not 1kg spools. Its tough, like stupid tough. I’d argue its on par with PETG and possibly ABS. I have literally throw a helmet across my driveway and left one in the car during a NC summer and no warping and no damage other than the rock chip. We do print four walls thick for complete disclosure.
Cons: They are always backordered. Order in advance and order a lot. You HAVE TO DIAL IT IN. You cannot print at 220c and a .2mm layer height. You will clog your nozzles. I clogged four before I figured it out. 240 is my sweet spot. Though I print at .08 -.12 layer heights. When I do .2mm I bump it up to 245-250c. (Straight PEI sheets). Its brittle. My Magneto X jerks around hard enough to snap the filament without trying.
I do not print at high speed, so I cannot add any input to this conversation.
Aside from that send me your questions and I will answer as best as I can.
What do you think of the Magneto? I’ve got one I’ve never put together and was thinking of just giving it away instead. It’s one of the KS units but has the upgrade kit they sent later.
The Magneto X from its initial inception is an amazing printer…once you have fixed EVERYTHING wrong with it, UPDATED everything manually (I mean pulling sd cards and individually updating each boards firmware) and dialing in each filament that’s not Polymaker.
It’s fast. It’s stupid fast. Like full ***** fast.
But as a initial launch purchaser myself, I will state it’s a tinkerers printer. Not a plug and play printer.
I want to love it. But I had to have Polymaker dial into my shop to manually fix some settings. Stuff even with my experience I wouldn’t have caught.
The wiki for how to everything is ridiculously outdated and gives bad information on some topics. If you don’t read the entire page, it gives you misleading info up front. So ready carefully.
You will not fix everything in a day. It will take a week minimum. That’s not including dialing in your filament.
I wouldn’t give it away. But I was about to sell it until they dialed in.
I finally have it running well enough that I can use it in my farm. But I am still cautious using it for large prints. The Magneto moves so fast and jerks so hard it typically knocks over supports.
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