Hallo
We’re writing the day that makerworld goes online. Hurray for the awesome 3D printer’s own website. As a Bambu Lab enthusiast, I jumped at it full of anticipation. When the first few things are printed via the app, they fit, it’s great. Since there weren’t too many designers who put the files online without print profiles, I wanted to print them at Tuhause and then created the print profiles myself for me (friends, family) and put them online. I didn’t think anything great about it. Since there was the possibility of 3-4 shares being created because they were just great things, everything was done neatly as intended by the guidelines. Next, put your own designs online. I enjoyed it:smiling_face_with_three_hearts:. Then came the day October 26th system message you are temporarily blocked:scream:
Read in the forum a ha bot is running around and blocked waiting was the dewiese. After a while I opened the ticket and waited. In the meantime, the change with profile images for print profiles and the option to create shares was eventually gone. From my ticket the answer is that you are violating the guidelines, which have changed. So I then deleted shares and deleted the print profiles offline (I was at work). When I got home, I added pictures to the print profiles and put them back at the start. And then asked for unlocking again. Next, the irregular download activity was discovered (what the hell is that supposed to be?) I wrote to Apple to unblock the account. I suggested that you should simply deduct the points associated with it = 1 year to redeem points. That was the answer. What do you think??
Hey,
I have a similar problem, because I upload my converted files as STL with a screenshot from the slicer. I got over 3000 points by doing this. The support now says that I have to upload a real print result to the files as a photo. However, this is not in the guidelines.
It says in the guidelines that you have to upload .3MF files with a real photo. I can also understand that.
But nowhere does it say that I have to upload an STL file with a real photo.
Now all my account transactions are being checked and I expect all my points to be deleted. And that would be fatal, as this would then happen wrongly.
I have just sent a detailed email directly to BL.
Now I’ll have to wait and see what happens next. I’m no longer banned as of today, but I’m not uploading anything for the time being because of the problems mentioned above. I have now uploaded over 150 files and have another 27 as drafts. The time I have spent on this is unfortunately not appreciated.
It is interesting, should the original designer need to have a physical version?
You are certainly not the only user who has unprinted .STLs posted. One of the more frequent posters I see uses some high quality renders, but only renders.
I think it makes sense to require for profiles - the whole point of a profile is a consistent printing experience, but I do not think that the original designer should have to ‘prove’ anything with a picture.
You want points from BBL, for posting designs on a BBL owned website specifically intended to promote BBL printers, IMO you should have to show your design can be printed on a BBL printer. For the same reason Profiles should be documented with an actual picture. If not, anyone can game the system for points by posting ■■■■.
The fact that you may not be cheating doesn’t matter. BBL has to apply rules uniformly. And if the work you did to post your posting actually involved verifying things would print as you claim, on a BBL printer, then you have something you can take a picture of. So it’s not an unreasonable ask.
MakerWorld is there to promote use of BBL printers, so requiring proof a BBL printer can print what’s being posted really isn’t surprising. Their mistake was not realizing the original rules that didn’t require that could easily be taken advantage of, and that there would be entities (be it people or bots) that would take advantage of it, so they didn’t make this a requirement from the start. Changing the rule now? Makes complete sense.
They’re running a business, not a charity. We want something from them (points for discounts and free swag), we have to meet their requirements. They have a perfectly reasonable right to expect people to show their work before they get paid for their work.
When publishing a public model under the CC0 license, you are required to include your own image of the actual print to show its print-ability
CC0 is a specific license that makes the model public domain. You would need to allow sharing adaptations, commercial use and sharing without attribution to set the license to CC0.
Hey,
that’s exactly what I think, because the guidelines don’t say that you have to upload STL files with real results.
All my files have the following license: “This work is licensed under a Standard Digital File License.”
Should this be changed so that there are no problems?
It is printable because it was color-adjusted in OrcaSlicer and then saved again as an STL. Every user loads the file into the slicer anyway and sees that it is printable.
So I think we’re deviating from the original topic😁 but whatever. But I find that if I create the model myself, draw it, think about it, then I want to print it too. If the slicer says it’s fine, but in the end it all looks like ■■■■ and doesn’t have the intended function, then it’s worth nothing. My only concern here is the fact that I’ve been blocked from doing this for a year because the rules changed quickly and it took me 1-2 days to load the pictures for the print profiles, so come on. And what should I do about the irregular downloads? It’s not like I downloaded it 200 times myself, so whoops. I just assume that they saw that the points system was too generous at the beginning and that a lot of money is now being lost. I can understand that too, but then I can just make a small price adjustment and it fits or reduce the points. They can see for each account so many points for designs so many for print profiles and correct them accordingly.
Doesn’t matter. Use common sense that if XX needs real pictures, then YY will probably need it too.
correct, but I strictly adhere to the guidelines and it says that I only have to upload original images for a .3MF file.
There are a lot of users who do the same as me or even only upload render images. Why doesn’t anything happen?
So far my files have been downloaded several times without any negative criticism. Therefore my files work. If there was a hail of criticism, I would understand.
That’s the key issue. They should have provided a reasonable “grace period” after deciding to change the rules. Prevent additional uploads and give the accused time to address what was already uploaded before giving up and wiping them out.
There was a ~2 week long grace period from announcing the rule to enforcing it.
Yes, I did everything on time. but that was the 1 of 2 statement from support, which is why they blocked me.
They are likely talking about models that weigh less than 5 grams or so and are tiny.
The ones you linked may be light but they aren’t miniature models.
Ahsoo I thought it was all about the weight?? OK then that’s it
I’m guessing that BBL wants proof that the STL file can produce a quality print and I’m all for that, There are a ton of STL’s in other places that are just a waste of filament and I’m glad that Makerworld is not one of them.
Imo these rules are over stretching a bit. There are legitimate reasons for not printing a specific model. If you make a mechanical model with a dynamic size but the mechanism itself stays the same size. The creator should not be forced to print every single size provided.
Lets say I made a hinge, it has 100 different combinations of base plate sizes and screw hole positions, but the mechanical hinge itself stays the same. As a designer there is absolutely no need to print all 100 sizes, if one works so does the others. I just need to print 1 to test it.
Im aware this is quite an extreme example, but I’ve done plenty models like this with 10 or more different sizes. Im not going to waste my time printing the sizes I don’t use. So over stretching these rules just ruins it for the community. I could provide 10x more people with a model that suits them, but since im not going to waste my time and plastic reprinting things I know work, I’m just going to not include those sizes. Community suffers because i would get banned uploading models I know work but because I know they work I’m not going to waste time and filaments proving it for a 10th time.
Yeah kind of a bummer I just had a profile removed for one of my own models because I haven’t printed that ‘version’, but the main version is pictured.
…but I only lost one, I imagine some users are about to lose half their content.
I have a simular problems on one of my models.
It’s a model with pip mechanics and some users have problems with either too loose or too tight clearances depending on their filament calibration. So I provided some clearance testparts and versions with different clearances for the main part.
Since I didn’t print the other versions myself, and they probably also won’t be the right clearances for myself, I can not set the “passed my print test” for the profile.
So yeah since I stick to the rules I also don’t provide profiles for the other versions. But this gives me always the same question in the comments “where do I find the other versions?”.
So it seems there are a lot of users wich heavily depend on profiles and don’t know how to download and slice stl files themselves.
So I think as a designer you should have the right to provide profiles for your own models, even when not printing it yourself. They can be marked as untested until they get at least one successful print by someone other.