It’s also worth trying to achieve the change you seek.
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Problem is, the change we seek doesn’t seem to be the “change” Bambu seeks… (talking about “change management”).
NB- Personally, I don’t want to change… life, however, has other plans.
LAN mode is intentionally crippled. Pushing users onto the cloud for “security” is doublespeak. We know it, they know it. WHY there are BBL apologists supporting the depreciation of core features if we opt to use our local network is beyond me. If it doesn’t affect you - good. But you can stay quiet, since it doesn’t affect you…
It’s obvious that many businesses require granular control of their workflow and IP, and will encounter troubles operating on outdated firmware or unsupported developer networks. It’s also obvious that these businesses want BBL to succeed since they quite literally make the best hardware on the market, which many of us have come to rely on and in many cases want to continue to use so long as we don’t have the TOS rug pulled from underneath us. We’re voicing legitimate concerns and being gaslit by the official accounts claiming their customers are spreading misinformation.
Dr. Tao last year said “I can say I’m not evil, but that doesn’t mean anything. You can only judge whether another person is evil or not by observing what he or she does… / …Being trustworthy and having integrity is in our own benefit. If you want a great brand, if you want to differentiate yourselves from the competitors, you have to be trustworthy.”
We wait ! BBL: you do NOT need to dig in your heels on this.
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What a wonderfully constructed and thoroughly thought through post! It was a pleasure to read and learn from you.
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TOS still has this ■■■■ against all they were saying in their socials.
7.4 Your Bambu Lab product will automatically search for and download new update packages to provide you with timely update services. These updates are designed to resolve cyber security loopholes and prevent new threats, and it is important to accept and install security related system updates in a timely manner. Due to the importance of these updates, your product may block new print job before the updates is installed, and will immediately provide update notifications to help you understand the related information.
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Just commenting on your SD comment. It wouldnt be the first time ive used SD cards for printing. Dont know your 3d printing background but I started before Bambu ever exsisted and I’ve had to make trips from my laptop to printer with an SD card probably thousands of times or more. So it wouldnt be an issue.
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and I’ve said:
My preferences (or choices) have nothing to do with whatever 3d printing background I (or anyone else) might have.
You’ve chosen the sd-card over the cloud or LAN, and that’s okay with me. At least your option isn’t canceled by Bambu. Mine is, despite being a clearly stated and included feature at the time of the purchase, that under the new firmware Bambu wants to remove.
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Not really. There’s a lot of us that bought a printer only after BambuLab brought the X1C/P1/A1 to market. A lot of us use it for business endeavors and, even if we are makers, we don’t have the time or the interest in tinkering around and that’s the reason we didn’t buy any other brands/models.
If Bambu blocks me from using the tools that I want to use with the hardware that I bought from them, or wants to force me to buy their filament (which is very hard to come by in Mexico and expensive when found), or thinks that switching to a subscription service will keep me printing, then I’ll look into different brands or take my losses and get out of the business. Either way, I won’t buy anything else from them.
Bambu came out with great hardware/software/ecosystem, which people compares to Apple’s. But I’m the kind of guy that bought a Mac and installed Linux on it, since I love the hardware but won’t stand the software. And I’ll do the same if I can with any printer I buy or won’t buy at all if that’s not possible. Other companies seem to be already bringing printers to market that compare to Bambu’s so it won’t take long before real competition will be available.
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Ich lese das desöfteren aber habt ihr auch mal gefragt wie sie das anstellen wollen? aus meiner Sicht ist das nämlich nicht möglich. Immer diese haltlose Panikmacherei.
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I read this a lot, but have you ever asked how they intend to do this? In my opinion, this is not possible. Always this unfounded scaremongering.
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Well, I’m just stating possible scenarios, not saying they will go through with them. And, having worked all of my life in IT, I know that controlling the firmware allows them to change anything they want, so it is quite possible to do it. Again, all I’m doing is giving my own opinion plus stating what I will do if any possible changes affect me in specific ways.
Everybody here is entitled to their believes based on what Bambu says, or is that something that will be taken away from us? If you think that this discussion is scaremongering… then that’s your opinion, right? You’re very welcome to proceed any way you deem correct for yourself.
Also das ist so technisch nicht möglich da man das AMS auch abschalten kann und das Filament manuell zuführenkann. Außerdem kann man die Filamentaktualisierung auch abschalten. ( Dies könnte durch firmware updates theoretisch entfernt werden ). Macht aber alles keinen sind man kann nämlich RFID Chips leere Spulen aufheben und die an Fremdes Filament Kleben. Die Filament einstellungen kann man ja im Slicer an das Fremde Filament anpassen. Wie gesagt ein solcher zwang wäre nicht durchsetzbar.
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This is not technically possible as you can switch off the AMS and feed the filament manually. You can also switch off the filament update. (This could theoretically be removed by firmware updates). But none of this makes any difference, because you can pick up empty spools with RFID chips and glue them to other filaments. The filament settings can be adapted to the foreign filament in the slicer. As I said, such a compulsion would not be enforceable.
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The RFID reader/writer in AMS keeps count of spool revolutions, there’s a known number of revolutions per spool If you have non-lite AMS - it can estimate filament based on that info.
Also - we have examples of companies using RFID chips and proprietary “cartriges” with filaments in them trying to lock customers into proprietary filaments.
Sure - it’s non-enforceable NOW, but there’s possibility for AMS to simply refuse to use non-rfid tagged spools, making AMS nothing but filament storage and forcing people to use very inconviniently placed P1/X1 filament holder…
But let’s not get into that, that’s neither here nor there.
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Yet… You forgot to add the yet part at the end…
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Dennoch Denke ich nicht das es so kommen wird sie wollen ihre Drucker verkaufen und wenn sie andere Filamente sperren würden( was ich immnernoch für nicht durchsetzbar halte ) würde niemand mehr ihre Drucker kaufen. Und das wissen sie genau.
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However, I don’t think that will happen - they want to sell their printers and if they were to block other filaments (which I still don’t think is feasible) nobody would buy their printers any more. And they know that.
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Let’s simplify this useless back and forth, mate; we all are hoping that it won’t come to that, but prior experiences with both Bambu (think of X1Plus
stuff) and other companies that did it anyway to lock down users and ensure a constant revenue flow, taught us otherwise. So, we hope for the best but prepare for the worst. You don’t need to do anything if you’re happy with Bambu’s current firmware deal. Go ahead and update your firmware and enjoy your printer and its functionality (for as long as it will last). We respect your choice, and we’re happy that you’re happy, but if you’re not at all affected by these changes, be a sport and leave us to do what we need to do without getting involved in things you’re clearly not concerned with. Thx.
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Buyers reasonably expect a 3d printer they buy to have drivers and software they can use for the life of the printer (or some time) without further payment, even a very turnkey, hands-off one. Commitments are only agreements. The new drivers and software announcement give them the power to break them. Would they ever use that power to break them? Well, they already retroactively edited their own announcement, then pretended it was owners who intentionally misrepresented them… Yes, the Verge article response was their public commitment, still contradicted by their Terms of Service (7.4).
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Käufer erwarten vernünftigerweise, dass ein 3D-Drucker, den sie kaufen, Treiber und Software enthält, die sie während der gesamten Lebensdauer des Druckers (oder zumindest eine Zeit lang) ohne weitere Zahlungen nutzen können, selbst bei einem sehr benutzerfreundlichen, wartungsarmen Gerät. Zusagen sind letztlich nur Vereinbarungen. Die Ankündigung neuer Treiber und Software gibt ihnen die Macht, diese zu brechen. Würden sie diese Macht jemals nutzen, um sie zu brechen? Nun, sie haben ihre eigene Ankündigung bereits nachträglich bearbeitet und dann behauptet, die Besitzer hätten sie absichtlich falsch dargestellt. Ja, die Antwort auf den Artikel von The Verge war ihre öffentliche Verpflichtung, die jedoch weiterhin von ihren Nutzungsbedingungen (Abschnitt 7.4) widersprochen wird.
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Aber mal ehrlich wer würde sich ein Drucker kaufen um dann weitere Zahlungen machen zu müssen um ihn zu benutzen. Das mach wirtschaftlich keine Sinn als würde keiner die Drucker oder weiter benutzen. Damit hätte das Unternehmen nichts gewonnen. Also wäre es auch nicht wirtschaftlich für sie. Was aber durchaus passieren könnte das zusätzlich zu den Grundfunktionen der Cloud weitere geplant sind und man diese als Premium Features anbietet. Das wäre für mich voll in Ordnung. So fern die Grundfunktion des Druckers davon nicht betroffen sind. Und diese zu beschränken macht aus Sicht des Unternehemens keine SInn.
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But honestly, who would buy a printer and then have to pay more to use it? It doesn’t make economic sense as if no one would use the printers or continue to use them. The company would have gained nothing. So it wouldn’t be economically viable for them either. What could happen, however, is that in addition to the basic functions of the cloud, further functions are planned and these are offered as premium features. That would be perfectly fine with me. As long as the basic functions of the printer are not affected. And restricting these doesn’t make sense from the company’s point of view.
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But this hypothetical future only applies to the AMS then? As external filament feed has no RFID reader capability, and they can’t disable that due to filaments not compatible with the AMS/AMS lite needing to be used via external feed.
For now at least, it looks like they aren’t going that way, so why not focus on what they are doing wrong now still (Bambu Connect), and crucify them for going to a lock-in/subscription model if and when that actually happens. Of course they will never rule it out entirely as a possibility, they can’t predict future market trends. It should be good enough they have rulledit out for existing product lines, and have no immediate plans (that they will admit to, anyway).
There are plenty of (successful?) companies in the 3D printing world that more or less restrict you to their materials, spare parts etc. Not as many in the FDM consumer space (XYZ and MakerBot come to mind), but pro-sumer and professional space is already riddled with these… BambuLab looks more cautious, for now, but their recent announcements and silent changes do not fill me with confidence long-term…
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My take on this is a bit different. The biggest concern I have with these security updates and what not is what it may end up looking like to the US government. With everything that is currently happening with TikTok, and Bambu’s current headquarters, I have a real concern over what the administration might do if it learns of this.
To be clear the current administration only backed down from the TikTok ban because they found it to be a useful platform to get information to swing voters, but it’s still only on hold for 90 days.
Now Bambu is saying they’re doing all this stuff for security purposes (which is good for 99.9% of users), but I’m worried that it may look like something else entirely to the current administration.
On the other, more cynical end of things, I feel like Bambu may be doing this to make it more difficult to clone their products/firmware programming by their competitors. Considering that’s kinda what China is known for, that makes sense. But that ship has already long since sailed.
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