I have a P1S with firmware 01.07.xx.xx. I tried to isolate the printer by turning on LAN mode and then I turned on parental control in my router to block the printer’s MAC access to the network. The problem is that after I did MAC lock in my router and turned on the mode LAN on the printer, Orca is no longer able to connect to the printer, becoming a large useless fridge box on my desk, furthermore the printer when in LAN mode disconnects from my account and becomes invisible to Orca. The only way I have to unlock the printer’s MAC on my router, log in to the printer again and resume the functionality in Orca… Am I doing something wrong and skipping some steps? Orca, I get the code again to connect the printer access that I can only have with the logged in printer otherwise I have no possibility of connecting with Orca… I no longer know how to do it and the various guides are all inclined towards logging in with the BL cloud to print and I have no possibility of connecting the printer in LAN mode…
What I understand is that you want a Prusa or something like that.
I mean seriously. Can you imagine going to Sony or Nintendo making these kinds of demands? Bambu isn’t an open source platform, and people need to realize that.
They are building an ecosystem and aren’t just the sum of their printers. That’s the way they want to take their company, and you are not entitled to demand from them how to direct their products. You clearly aren’t their target demographic.
I like the cloud stuff, the ecosystem, all of it. I also realize what that comes with, things like I’m going to have to keep the firmware updated so I can still access all the features I want.
Which, again, to take a look back at a company like Sony and the PlayStation. You can’t connect into their services if you’re running older firmware and such. It would be a huge security issue if allowed that. Especially with systems like this that see ongoing development and need regular security updates to deal with new threats.
Go build a voron or buy a prusa if you want all of that control. I’m sorry if you’re mad because your open source heroes haven’t been able to produce a product as stand out as what Bambu is doing, but that’s not Bambu’s fault, and they shouldn’t be forced into it because these other companies aren’t producing the same quality products.
You know, I’m disappointed all the time that certain products don’t fit me better, because I’d love to love them. I don’t go crying all over the place and demand From Software make their games easier because I want to play them. I don’t, because that would be dumb. I have to recognize that those games are built for a different kind of player than me, and just because I’m not them, doesn’t mean From Software has to change their game for me.
Seriously. Prusa is right there. They go on about how open source they are. Everyone talks about how awesome Prusa is. Why aren’t you all flooding them with sales if you’re so upset? They are exactly what you want. You can go dump your money into them as a company, voting with your wallet. You can show Bambu that their business model isn’t popular, by using your wallet to prop up the companies that more closely match your wants/desires/morals.
Meanwhile, I choose Bambu because they provide what I want out of a 3d printing experience. The machine, the slicer, the cloud, makerworld, maker supply, the filaments. The whole gawd damn package, and I like it all, I put my money into Bambu because I like that. I don’t give two bananas if they’re closed source. They certainly aren’t the only closed source ecosystem I buy into, and I get properly sick of people like y’all telling me I’m somehow what’s wrong with this world because I embrace and like those systems.
Prusa has your back.
Prusa wont force you to install firmwares you don’t want. I hardly upgraded the firmware on my Mk2 back in the day.
Prusa will even sell you upgrade kits, if you’re ready and wanting
Prusa provides all of these components in a buffet style where you take what you want, and ditch the rest. Bambu is a proper ecosystem, where everything is tightly integrated, and relies heavily on that integration, including online connectivity. Prusa has made it clear that they wont force any of this on you, and you can do as little or as much as you like with the options they provide. Beyond that, because it’s a Prusa, you can easily use third party services/tools with little worry about it getting bricked from an update.
Prusa is there open arms, saying mod us all you want! We’re there for you.
Prusa doesn’t care if you print toys for your kids, or print serious parts for helicopters or rockets. They will not tell you how to use their printers. Unlike some people too, they wont talk down to people that just want to print toys and ahve fun.
Well, Prusa isn’t running a cloud service where your poor network security can affect many many users, so I mean, there you go.
Prusa? Again, I think they would provide all the tools you’d need to control the printer how you want, including third party tools. The platform is open in a number of ways, so there’s a grater ability here to tailor that experience for your specific needs.
Prusa agrees, if you buy a Prusa, you own a prusa. They don’t have any extended connected services as part of the overall experience, so your purchase is a lot more self contained, vs what a Bambu is.
Everything you want and demand from Bambu, Prusa will give you with open arms. They make great printers, and have a great reputation in the community. They built one of the best model repositories out there, Printables. If you want to encourage all these things you pointed out, then you should be supporting companies that exemplify those points, and helping them to survive and grow.
Note that I did NOT ask for their source code?
Every product YOU buy is YOUR product after you bought it. Manufacturers must understand this.
I’m not sure but when I activate LAN mode on my P1S the Orca is unable to send a print file to the printer… I even messed with my router’s settings to block the printer’s MAC but I completely lose the ability to print . By activating LAN mode the printer connects from the cloud and Orca is no longer able to see or send files to the printer. Maybe I missed something or maybe the LAN mode doesn’t work as BL says in the diagram you posted… Because I spent a whole day to understand what wasn’t working and in the end to be able to print I had to unlock the printer’s MAC in my router, log in to the printer to get the bin code and reconnect the printer to Orca otherwise the printer disappears on my ecosystem e it becomes useless and impossible to print except with the SD but I didn’t buy it to print from SD:roll_eyes:
Maybe people are starting to accept the normalization of retroactive modification of devices after a sale. But I think normally the way the big corps go about this sort of thing is to start applying it with new products.
Is it really too much to ask that they don’t retroactively modify products after they’ve been sold? I don’t see how that’s making unreasonable demands at all.
If they wanted to do this, they could’ve started with the new printer line they’re about to release. That would still cause some uproar, but nothing remotely resembling this fiasco.
Would never, ever have even considered buying a printer that has something called an “Authorization Control System”. I mean, the name alone. Like right out of a CCP Five-Year Plan. Joking aside, this works against the user, not for the user.
But you had no problem buying a printer that had a “Bambu Network Plugin”?
Your recent list of “demands” is hilarious and my earlier statement still rings true.
This is how it was (and still is today!) advertised, and this is what I bought:
Requiring a software that has a built-in private key that expires in a year is not “offline” to me as it will stop working in a year without the Internet.
But that’s besides the point. Once the sale has been made, their control over the purchase is OVER. Zero. It is the buyer’s device and any manufacturer that thinks otherwise shall not get my money.
Since they’ve already said you can use developer mode, there’s no Internet required
I think this would be a great solution for a lot of people here. You can go as cheap or as expensive as you want on all the parts. You can use any MCU you choose. You control the firmware. Klipper is amazing, you can control it from just about any device. You can monitor all your printer cameras on one screen. If you build the 2.4 you can even pick the size you want to build, 250mm, 300mm or 350mm. Cpap cooling, Nevermore air filter, print any material you want. Blazing fast and fun to build.
No one is denying that it is your device. It was sold to you with working firmware, firmware you don’t have to upgrade. No one is forcing you to do anything. You’ve got your underoos in a knot over nothing.
firmware you don’t have to upgrade. No one is forcing you to do anything
Read. The. Terms.
Jokes on you, those have always been the terms. Terms you agreed to by purchasing the product.
You can cry and stomp your feet all you want. It’s not going to change anything. Suggest you cut your losses and buy a Prusa. Sounds like it will be a much better fit for you.
You make the same demands as that whole crowd. And everything you demand, Prusa is still there for you, so why aren’t you over there purchasing their products?
Maybe the world was once that way, but it’s never so simple anymore. Especially with the extent of products that connect into the cloud for various reasons. Again though, if this is what you value most out of a product, then Prusa is there for you. They will give you exactly what you want, and it’s not tied into other services in a way that will change or break the functionality.
@LockdownIsEvil if all of these things are so important to you, why don’t you purchase a Prusa? Sell your Bambu and go purchase a Prusa. Everything you’re wanting, they will give you with open arms.
No, it isn’t. When the X1 came out, Makerworld and all of this stuff didn’t exist. I feel for those users in that they didn’t have the choice, the full understanding, of what Bambu would develop into and the limitations of.
I use Home Assistant, so I feel for those that got cut because of the changes. It impacts me too, and I’m not entirely happy about that. I’m willing to accept that sometimes products change under me, and at that point I have the choice to embrace those changes, or cut my losses and find a product more in line with what I want. My understanding, feeling, and approach on this, is a reflection of this modern world. I can’t force a company to be what I want them to be, but I can spend my money where I want to spend it.
However, with all of that. They have came back and said they’ll provide a developer mode that retains access to things like MQTT, so third party stuff can still control things.
The thing about MQTT. They may have used that for their purposes, but it wasn’t intended to be used by third parties to control the printer. This was obvious with the whole Panda Touch thing. Bambu told those guys that they would be phasing out access to the MQTT. They warned them, and this was awhile ago. The method people were using to access the printer, it was known that eventually Bambu would want to close that off. They never intended people to tap into it like that.
I would like to see a full featured method for access. I think Bambu connect sounds limiting, and it’s a little annoying, but I can understand why they wanted to tighten things up. I think they are short sighted for not realizing the extent to which people want to control their printers through things like HA. I don’t think this developer mode is a long term solution.
We can agree on that. 
Honestly, I want to build a Voron. It’s still one of my dreams. I want to do it for all the reasons you know, we talk about. Because it’s open, because I can mod it. I can have fun trying out different tech and stuff. And yeah. I just.
And I like that because I can go way further than I could with a Bambu. I mean, shoots and ladders, I could put a E3D Revo on it, which I want so much to play with that hotend but don’t have a printer I can use it with currently. (I don’t think the bambu version of the revo looks that great).
I want to poke at their multi color system, and I have no idea if it’d drive me mad or impress me, but I don’t care, I just wanna poke at it.
May have been considered as as something hypothetical some lawyer just put in there in order to protect them from some hypothetical legal risk.
But with their latest moves, their intentions have been revealed, and the Maker community now looks at these things VERY carefully.
Your post was flagged by the community and I removed it.
It contains false information that Bambu will “brick” your printer.
This was specifically addressed in this blog post.
these claims are entirely false:
- Bambu Lab will remotely disable your printer (“brick” it).
@JonRaymond thanks for your comment. Please carefully review this sentence in the official Bambu Labs Terms of Use.
Literal quote from Terms of Use - Bambu Lab:
“your product may block new print job before the updates is installed”