US-China Tariffs War. EU Prices affected?

Rather than opening a ticket, I thought I just open a topic here since I believe many others would be interested.

With the recent tariffs impose by both US and China

  1. Are the prices of Printers, Filaments and Accessories affected in the EU?
  2. If so, is it possible for Bambu Lab to give a week notification so I can store up before prices get raised?

@BambuLab Could you shed any light on this matter and my request?

This is all public knowledge.

  1. Trump has said he is considering tariffs for the EU, so far that has not happened. This is America adding tariffs to China and vice versa.
  2. Bambu Lab doesn’t choose when they start, Trump does. The tariffs for Mexico and Canada were blanket percentages (no excluded categories) and became payable immediately after the announcement. This is America adding Tariffs to Mexico and Canada and vice versa.

Bambu Lab immediately increased the printer printers to American addresses as soon as the China tariffs were announced.

IMPORTANT

The above answered your questions, however your questions miss an important point.

Trump is adding tariffs between America and other countries.

If you are in the EU, nothing Trump does directly will affect Chinese to EU or EU to Chinese sales.

Unless the EU decides to okay the same dumb game of penalising their citizens, the tariff question is entirely unrelated to your purchase decision.

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Simply put, the trade war between the US and China, or even between the US and Europe, won’t affect (much) the trade between China and the EU, unless the EU decides to add new taxes for Chinese imported good, among them 3D printers being included. So for the time being, you are safe. However, it wouldn’t be a bad idea stockpiling some strictly necessary spares, and filament, if you can afford it.

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You are safe, they just end up being an extra tax US consumers need to pay on goods imported from China.

Even if Trump starts a trade war with the EU your imports from China will be ok.

@drakko @mugglesmuggle @krellboy Thank you for your explanation on how tariffs work. I have the same understanding as well but chose to post the topic because

No knowledge of their Manufacturing and Logistics Process
While it is likely the manufacturing occurs with Chinese parts in China, I prefer not to assume and simply open a dialog.

Register a Concern and Seek a Statement regarding their Plans
I believe in dialogs so I like to register a concern and hope to get an announcement/statement of their plans to manage the tariffs war. It is always beneficial to know how they are going to manage it right?

Understand how they manage the tariffs for our interest, users
This tariffs war is between 2 governments but it impact the consumers and businesses the most. As a consumer, I like to see how Bambu Labs manage the situation in regards to their users’ interest. It will influence my trust and willingness to invest more in their printing and makerworld platform.

@BambuLab I understand you are just coming back from your Lunar New Year but I hope your company can take some time to draft a statement regarding the tariffs war.

It will affect EU prices, but not immediately and not directly. Bambu needs to remain competitive in their largest market, which is the US. If they raise prices on filaments (and to a lesser degree printers) shipped to the US by too much, They won’t be able to compete as easily and lose business to non-chinese providers. So in order to maintain their dominance in the market, some price increases will shift to EU and other countries to offset this. The immediate effect is a price increase at the consumer level, but the tariffs affect a lot of other aspects of their business and will have long term effects on how they operate and price products to stay competitive. Perhaps they will just increase child and forced labor, but that has diminishing returns at some point.

Something had to give with China. The company I work for has lost a lot of business to China over the past 10-15 years due to their cheap labor and lack of regulation on the safety of materials and chemicals. Many of our large OEM clients have shifted their manufacturing over there as well in order to remain competitive.

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Thanks for sharing your experience in the matter. While I appreciate it, my main purpose is to register my concern with Bambu Lab and hope they will release a statement and consider my request in notifying us before any price increase.

I doubt you will see a statement from Bambu as the whole situation can change in a matter of hours as we have already seen.

I will caution you that if you are worried about a price increase then your best course of action is to stockpile enough filament/parts/printers to be able to complete your current commitments and any outstanding sales quotes. This will give you a buffer to allow you to increase your sell price on future quotes if and when prices of your consumables increase.

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Thank you for sharing a pragmatic approach to the situation. Nevertheless, I do hope to hear from them. While I understand Bambu Lab might not reply, I like to play my part in asking. I believe in opening dialogs rather than start playing the blame game.

Lastly, I bear no prejudice to Chinese companies and I like to see companies from all countries succeed on the international arena. But geopolitics and government policies do matter. I am monitoring how Bambu Lab manages the tariff war/crisis.

Tariffs are added at the american end and not usually by those they are aimed at (china)

Thanks @Neiljt for your contribution. See earlier reply by SH_Design.

Thinking china or bambu lab have put prices up is/would be a misconception of an american registered store and suppliers and partners

Apparently, this just a little something else american states stood to lose billions in trade from both mexico and canada .

One other thing to notice is chinas reopening of antitrust investigation into google
do you think its just to compete with americas own ?

I found this to be a really helpful near real-time observation of what to expect.

In particular regarding lead time. From what I perceived, it should be measured in minutes or, at best, hours,…

Edit: As for EU ↔ China effects, the waters are still pretty murky there. But I very much doubt that there will be no effect. Concessions are easiest to make when targetting a 3rd party…

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Jon is right. You won’t see a statement on this. For one, you simply are not affected. You’re in the EU buying stuff from China. The US is simply not involved in that process.

What you might see are lower prices if the tariffs cut significantly into Bambu sales and they last for a while. Bambu may need to offload printers and supplies.

Thanks @MalcTheOracle for your contribution, too. Your post was first and complete but apparently not what OP wanted to hear.

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Closer to the truth ?

To clarify since many aren’t familiar with tariffs…

They are collected when goods enter a country and are collected from the addressee. Don’t pay and your package gets returned.

There were laws in place that exempted direct shipments from Chinese companies with values of goods below $800. This is why many thought there were no tariffs on Chinese goods. It seems that law is now gone and tariffs will be collected before your package can be released to you.

There are tariffs on goods from other countries besides China (Mexico, and Canada). I’m waiting on some electronics coming from the EU and others in the US waiting on the same thing are getting notices of payments due before their packages are released. Tax rate is about 3-4% in this particular case but will vary depending on what the goods are and where they are coming from.

The countries where the goods are coming from don’t pay the tariffs. The person/company receiving the goods pays. In the case of electronics from the EU, it’s the people who bought the goods getting the notices. For Bambu stuff headed to warehouses in the US, the addressee - Bambu - will be the ones having to pay to get the goods here and will likely pass those added costs on to consumers in the US. That’s the 10% price hike in printer prices in the US because of the added 10% tariff.

It’s all very fluid because many are discovering what sounded good on the campaign trail has real-world ramifications and costs people money.

The arguments about the value of tariffs for protectionism or whatever don’t matter. What matters for our purposes is that these bits are made in a country now being hit by tariffs so consumers now pay more to discourage those purchases.

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Impossible to say atm. But already over a 100 years ago the saying was “When America sneezes, the rest of the world catches the cold.”
And there are 2 items I am rather convinced about:

  • I can not imagine is that a major disruption on US ↔ European trade would not affect European ↔ Chinese trade.
  • Prices go up fast, down slowly. Not sure which is worse actually…
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You pay to much attention to the idiots in the media
Green day got it right , :rofl:

Thanks for the sharing the info. Like you, I posted because I am aware that there are things I do not know.

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Or paraphasing, it’s the law of unintended consequences. In complex systems, there can be all sorts of fun side effects of various actions and many aren’t known until they make themselves known. It’s why the bull in a china shop is such a good analogy in many circumstances. It points out likely negative consequences of unthinking actions.

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