What are the new print profile rules?

Did everyone get that system message regarding print profiles guidelines change?

What are the changes? It all looks the same as before to me.

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I got a popup but it disappeared soon and I am not able to retrieve the link/post/message… or whatever it was :smiley:

This is the link.

They normally announce things here.

Interestingly, these new rules are still listed as a Guide and Suggestions. No mention of the word rules.

Most are identical to what was there before. I have tried to use these rules before to remove duplicated profiles from my models for MW to say these aren’t rules.

I doubt enforcement will be any better under these new rules, sorry, suggestions.

Not forgetting, if a profile has a few downloads, no action will ever be taken by MW as even the most blatant rule breakers can get away with it if they have a few downloads under their belt.

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Yes that’s the page I looked at, to me it appears the same as it was 6 months ago, did you also get the system message?

I’m wondering if it’s a notice to just me or not, since I have not had any problems since the last guideline update many, many months ago and have not added any new profiles.

Yes, the message is still in my system messages with that link.

We all have until the 9th of October to make sure we are all compliant with the new rules, erm, suggestions.

Shall we start taking bets on how many innocent people get dinged vs the blatant thieves who brag about their thefts are left to flourish?

Update

I have just seen an email about it, a duplicate of the system message.

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I find rule 7 unsettling. It’s the one about not being allowed to create a single-color profile if there is already a multicolor version. I go out of my way to have as few color swaps as I can. My colored models are printed in multiple parts. I do not want to generate 100g of poop for an 80g model and force my users to do the same. I didn’t like to be wasteful when it’s not necessary.

In my color vs single profiles, the mesh is different (split vs not) the layout is different because some features (print by obj and adaptive layer) force splitting to multiple plates, etc…
I think the rule will force a lot of unnecessary inconveniences for single-color users.

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I think they are talking about a single object multicolor model, not one where you print them individually by parts.

For example this model:

Prints as one piece and if you use only one color, it will automatically skip the prime tower and all the purging that you would have with the multi color version. I think it is unnecessary to have multiple profiles if you can just use the multicolor one and select only one color to print with. Like this:

Most people don’t get that, similarly to how you can select a different filament type in a profile (e.g. print a pla profile with petg), which is why there are tons of profiles like that out there. A checkbox that you can check if you only want to print with one color, would make it way more obvious that you can do that

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When doing multiple variations on the same print profile on different plates, the time estimate on the profile shows the time to print all the variations. For example, I did a print profile that has a single color, two color, and 4 color version. The site shows an estimated time of “33.6 h”, but it really breaks down into: Single Color 3 hours, 2 Color 15 hours, 4 color 15.5 hours.

This can make it look like a long print and cause people to select some else’s print profile on the same model just because it only has the single color version.

This is a big problem!

Hope they can find a solution, love putting the variations in the same print profile.

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Another thing they could do away with, are the profiles that just scale the model without any changes. That seems like an easy feature to add to the app.

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The problem with this list is it appears to mix up first-party profiles by the designer and third-party profiles by those adding them to models they didn’t create.

I believe the intention of point 7 is that third-party profile creators do not pointlessly create a single colour version of an AMS-only profile that the designer provided.

However, without clarification on the seemingly intentional confusion they cause without limited information and zero use-case examples, who knows?

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Yes, maybe they do, but they do not say that clearly, so it’s ambiguous and open to be misinterpreted, by me as well as enforcers/mods.

Strong agree. IF they are rules, they need to be clear. Otherwise they are just going to lead to more improper enforcement or lack of enforcement.

Personally I find most of these would not be required IF THEY ALLOWED CREATORS TO CONTROL THE PROFILES ON THEIR OWN MODELS.
No, I’ll never get tired of repeating it, because it seems like a very obvious solution to a lot of problems currently plaguing MW.

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Most of the rules are standard and have been in place for awhile.

Rules I wasn’t aware of, but agree are good practice:

Prohibited: 6. Making copies of the model unnecessarily - I’m not 100% sure Bambu’s copy functionality works as well as advertised because I’ve definitely seen pasted objects in Bambu Studio that do NOT take advantage of the full build plate area, but in general not creating a new profile for multiple copies is a good thing.

Prohibited: 7. Single-color version for multi-color models - This is good to know. Saves me some effort of ensuring non-AMS users needs are met.

9. Print Profile names must comply with the following naming conventions: - Guilty as charged! I’ll definitely need to go through my print profiles and update these words out of those titles or possibly remove the print profiles.

Rules I have questions about:

Prohibited: 8. Splitting a model into multiple print profiles for uploading - Until I’m able to direct a user to a specific build plate within a print profile, I’d rather make a separate print profile of a part that I know people are going to want to print separately from time to time. I want my users to be able to click a link and click print, not click a link, flip through 20 different print plates within a profile, and hope they select and print the correct one.

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Sounds like an awesome solution, until some creators start to abuse this to farm points. For example, on one of my models, I have my own profiles at 100% size and another one scaled mine down to 60%. That profile has quite a few downloads, so I could just take it down and upload my own at 60% to get their future points instead.

Of course, I would never do something that petty, but after seeing how some beg for boosts, I can see a future where this will be prevalent. I spent a lot of time on some of my print profiles (for 3rd party models) and I would hate it if the creator could just delete it for no specific reason.

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Was the scaled down version done so that your model would print on the A1 Mini print area? If so, that seems like a valid reason for scaling down the model. I’ve done that a few times, and it’s one of the cases that Bambu’s automatic printer compatibility feature is not currently capable of solving. And I thought there was still some benefit to the designer if another person created a print profile? I’d rather users create print profiles than remixes for something as trivial as adjustments to scale.

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Please loosen this rule if we need to fix all our things…

I’m not even a third of the way through adding more informative titles to my existing profiles. I don’t think edits (especially strictly text edits!) should count towards the limit.

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Are you making changes or uploading brand-new profiles?

If brand new, I thought I had a problem.

You need a room with a step-based program to follow.

I didn’t even know there was a limit for such activities.

I think it is time they enacted a trust list where those who have shown they do not “game the system” and are net contributors, should be allowed more than the bad actors the rest of us spend our own time trying to combat.

I’m just editing my existing profile’s titles to align with the new guidelines. I’ve accrued quite a few over a year.

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My print profiles stopped counting some time ago.

It now just shows 999+, reviewing mine will take some time.

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Well at least we know there IS a limit. Now time to bust out 99 daily hueforges and line art models!! :crazy_face:

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:notes: I’ve got 99 problems and hugeforce is all of them :notes:

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