Where did Dummy 13 go?

I just Went to my tab with “Dummy 13 - version 1.0!


lucky 13 toy’s account does not exist
and I don’t know why.
please tell me why

Lucky 13 Toys | Published - MakerWorld read his bio

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Oh.
that is sad.
they are gone.
I read the bio

no worries though im sure someone has their stolen models on makerworld

Good luck on Printables! :rofl:

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The models were Creative Commons, no way to post them without remixing but it wouldn’t really be stealing as long as they gave attribution.

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It can be shared without modifications by giving appropriate attribution.

That said, MW doesn’t have such an option right now without making a remix.

But it’s not gone, it’s just on another website, even though I know that is a lot to ask. It’s like your favorite neighbor moving two streets over, he just isn’t worth the hassle

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I was wondering the same. Then I put it online as a remix with a print profile all on one plate even for A1mini, but MW has take it down 15 hours after…

As the license is permissive, if the creator remove it, another one should be able to put it again. Otherwise, it should change to a restrictive license…

I understand that the creator is pissed about bambulab security gate but come on, I prefer a secured system versus a hacked printer… The iPhone is closed and secured and people still buy it :slight_smile:

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That’s his choice though, and I don’t think it’s fair or respectful to be trying to repost his work back on the platform as such. I don’t care what the license says or offers, I’m just telling you from the perspective of being a decent human being that shows respect for their fellow living creatures and respecting the work they’ve put into things and not taking that for granted.

His model still exist on Printables. It sucks that he decided to leave Makerworld. None of this is the end of the world as we know it though. It’s still easily accessible.

Regardless though, I will say.

(@MakerWorld @Tanklet I’m tagging you in this because well, I don’t know if you’ve thought about this internally, but I think you should consider this potential for abuse)

By the nature of the model, it’s so popular that if this was allowed, then any number of people could just post the model up and rake in huge rewards from it. Essentially riding the coat tails of the original designer, despite the fact that they did nothing at all. It’s a gross abuse of the point system in my opinion, and any reposting of the models themselves should be removed as such.

I think it’d be insulting to the original creator, and it’s insulting to all the designers on here that bring original work to the platform.

This stuff isn’t like physical products, where it can be difficult to find certain brands/products. I mean, I love me some Marklin trains. You know how hard that is to get? I’m buying that stuff from shady people on ebay because there’s no stores near by I can go to.

Meanwhile, it’s just as easy for me to type in printables.com as it is for me to type in makerworld.com. Using either site isn’t that different and both are easily accessible.

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NO.

I mean - on MakerWorld you can either upload your original creation or upload a remix. Uploading anything as “original” that isn’t your original creation is violation of the site rules (the only exception I’ve seen are CC0 licenced items). Uploading something not-modified as a remix is also site rules violation.

Regardless of site rules, refusing to respect author’s decision is wrong. It’s his creation and his decision where it’s published. It’s still published elsewhere for free.

Let me just say, in this case the creator is rightly pissed. Let me highlight what Bambu themselves answered in the Verge article (Firmware Update Introducing New Authorization Control System):

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Even without going into the why, let’s just respect creator’s preferred home, pay them a visit over there, download the models, thank them for it, print them, enjoy them and leave it at that :blush:

For some video creators you have to go to TikTok, for others you have to go to YouTube, that doesn’t mean you should upload their video’s to the other platforms.

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Recently I had found that someone reposted my headphone stand from thiniverse over to printables. This happened before I setup my account on printables. It’s weird though.

I dislike this whole practice, to be honest. I don’t think one should be reposting models (not their own) to other sites. It doesn’t matter if that model repository has it or not. I frankly don’t even care what the license says. I just think it’s distasteful and takes away from the hard work of the designers that originally create the stuff.

I appreciate that the person linked me and name dropped me, totally. I don’t think they acted in bad faith. I just don’t see the point in it other than trying to gain points/fame/clout/internet gold.

You have to remember, behind every design is a person that put work and effort into it. Think about how you would feel if someone did to you, what you are suggesting doing to them. It’s easy to look at something like the dummy 13 and think oh, it’s just a model. It’s easy to disconnect it from it’s creator. Someone did design it though. They put work into it, skill into it. And that same person has to constantly fight to even try and retain some level of control over it.

I recall seeing a snippet from the designer where he was dealing with an issue with some entity trying to copyright it. It’s just gross, that exploitative nature. We don’t have to be that; we can be better than that.

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That’s true and I totally agree. I would like to see a license that permits remixing with significant change and attribution but does NOT permit reposting without change. (or maybe I am missing an existing one completely)

I have made remixes that would have been impossible without the original creator and designers have done the same based on my designs and for me that is the great thing about a community like the 3D print/design community.

But I would never copy-paste.

One only needs to give attributes but since the original creator is having a temper tantrum he no longer exists on Makerworld to attribute. The only way he can stop people from putting their versions of the make on Makerworld is if he changes his CC of the model offered on Makerworld. I got mine from Makerworld. I still have the file and the CC. I did not get the model from Printables so I do not need to attribute to the Printables account. If he changes his CC, everyone’s mods will need to be removed, but he won’t change his CC because that would be doing the same thing as what he is protesting Bambu Lab about.

You are misunderstanding a couple things.

The BY term doesn’t have anything do to with an account or what site you downloaded it from. Removing something from a site doesn’t change the BY requirement. BY means the creator, not the site.

Changing license terms is not retroactive for the people who already have the file.

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This is a “strawman argument”.
Any cloud service is going to be weaker than a peer to peer closed network system, no matter how much security you throw at it.

True security on these printers would always be in LAN mode. Cloud mode should be the secondary option and require all the extra BS. (Better Security ?)

If BL would have just used this approach from the beginning, we would not have to discuss this ad nauseam.

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Here is more about this decision:

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Glad he helped clarify all the reasons he left. Wouldn’t want him allowing all those uninitiated plebians printing his models. I’ll have to break it gently to my son that if he wants to have the necessary experience to print these models, he’s going to have to box up his A1 and build his own 3d printer first before he’ll have enough technical know how to print a dummy 13. The one he already printed doesn’t count since he didn’t waste a kg of filament learning how to use a slicer from scratch. Gosh darn Bambu for making 3d printing too accessible to the masses!

This whole authorization ■■■■ is bringing out the snarky side of me and I don’t like it.

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I understand you might be expressing your true feelings, but its quite sad to see that your existance here are purely for money…I kinda liked your designs :face_exhaling:

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Everyone is entitled to their own opinions tbh, and its all about perspectives here. I’ve seen and spoken with countless designers that loved the exclusive program and creator empowerment from mw, but you cant blame lucky 13 or rossero for holding such opinions. And the end of the day, no one is forcing anybody to do anything, its entirely their own choices to stay or leave any particular platform

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