Which reviewers will you be looking forward to

Olias: “Before she was mentioned in this thread, I had just assumed it was another Chinese shill channel pushing products.

Why do you suppose Olias straight up assumed that Aurora was a Chinese shill channel? Any guesses?

EDIT: He has already clarified that he has watched Aurora tech channel content, which would make it obvious to anybody that she is American, and not from China.

@Olias @MalcTheOracle @user_3133763279

I wonder why Olias assumed that Aurora, and AMERICAN who is most probably Asian (based on appearance) and possibly ethnically Chinese (unconfirmed in her YouTube bio) is a Chinese shill.

Could this perhaps be a case of racial stereotyping where he’s applying his business and personal experiences with Chinese manufacturing / business culture to an American individual who appears to be of Asian descent?

“You never do hear the term “Chinese Engineering” and quality in the same sentenced do you?”

“Well… I have to give Bambu Lab credit where credit is due. They at least listen and respond to their customers and more importantly, they are outcompeting based on innovation not simply price. That is very un-Chinese like where the dominant business philosophy is characterized by the term Shanzhai” (山寨)."

“My recent experience with Sunlu filament dryer and their shoddy tech support only reinforced that perception that they are yet another Chinese company looking to make a quick buck and are more about perception than true quality.”

“BTW: I don’t even trust my Creality dryer sensor either which is why I keep a second sensorin the box just to keep the readings honest. The Creality Sensor is close enough or as the Chinese prefer to say, chà bù.”

““ALL” of these driers apparently are using the same Sh*tty Chinese maker for their touch displays and in my testing, it was clear that none of them worked well.”

“Chinese culture values and focuses on shortcuts as well as focusing solely on price”… … …"The Bambu Studio camp is motivated to simply pump out just enough features to do the job or in Chinese business philosophy, Pronounced Cha-Bu-Duo which means “almost” but in the west he equates to “cutting corners”.

“So now that Bambu has a channel set up to support their high end product, it will be a wait and see process. If the channel strategy fails to produce revenue, they’ll change that back to a direct sales model. If it succeeds, we’ll likely see more of their products get price-protected in order to protect their channel partners. That’s something that will be an absolute first in history for a Chinese company. Unlike Japanese companies, Chinese companies don’t even respect their own partners and have a rich history of cheating each other. In my experience on both sides of that business model as a channel partner and a manufacturer, if the company that wants to do business with me is speaking Mandarin, I want an iron-clad contract before they get an order and even then, I won’t pay the invoice until the product is in my hands and has gone through inspection. That’s not easy to do with Asian suppliers.”

“Wait… What? Chinese company honoring intellectual property? Say it isn’t so. :joy:

“There are hundreds of BS Chinese vendors spamming Amazon with the same cheap product.”

“All kidding aside, it still blows my mind how much trust people put into manufacturers, especially in this 3D printer industry that’s basically the wild west, largely dominated by Chinese companies working under the Chabuduo mindset. If you haven’t heard of it, it’s this “close enough is good enough” philosophy that’s pretty common in Chinese business. Westerners see it as cutting corners or flat-out sloppy, and it really shows in the products they deliver.”… … … … … …“Basically, assume anything from China went through little to no quality control.”

“My German grandmother taught me the work ethic that a job worth doing is a job worth doing well. My American grandmother’s philosophy was: do it right, but do it right now and quit wasting time. I suspect that if I had a Japanese grandmother, based on their culture, it would be: do it right, do it well, and do it with style. And if I had a Chinese grandmother?.. :wink:well… you get the picture. Chinese business philosophy of chàbùduō means “just close enough.” This philosophy makes Western procurement professionals cringe, as vigilance is required to guard against Chinese production standards cutting corners. In short, we know the Chinese are going to cheat and steal; we just have to catch them at it. When companies like Apple make cheating nearly impossible, the Chinese turn to unethical working conditions to compensate, as outlined in 2014 at their largest contractor, Foxconn. It should also be noted that the philosophy of chàbùduō is as opposite to the German work ethic as possible.”

“This is helpful. What is it with these Chinese companies who act as throw they can through any ■■■■ against the wall and hope it sticks?”

There’s more examples than what I shared above.

TO BE CLEAR: Olias apparently has lots of first hand experience with Chinese manufacturers and businesses. I am NOT implying that any of the opinions he shared in the above quotes are unfounded, innaccurate, etc. What I am implying is that there just may be some bias in his assumptions about Aurora Tech Channel.

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Personally, buying from Japan or Korea I’ve never once wondered if I was going to be getting a quality, safe product. Regrettably I can’t say the same for other Asian countries.

Is that an uncommon experience?

I have no comment on the quality of products from any Asian country. I’m more interested in fascinating topic of Olias labeling Aurora from Aurora tech channel a Chinese shill.

Just stop trying to make something it wasn’t.

The ONLY one now going down this rabbit hole is you. This forum should be better than that, as should those on the forum.

I hope you go back to the topic.

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Yep, we have Olius who calls an American child who makes 3D printer YouTube videos a Chinese shill based on nothing other than the fact that she looks Asian and her thumbnails (blatantly obvious stereotyping). And then me calling him out for how much of a weird take that is and even keeping it open for him to explain himself. But it’s me who you take issue with, lol.

:saluting_face:

EDIT: corrected Chinese American child to Asian American child.

EDIT 2: changed Asian American child to just American child as her bio doesn’t even state whether or not she is Asian American.

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What makes you think she needs a prompt, have you ever heard her public speeches

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I can see her eyeballs running back and forth as she speaks. :roll_eyes:

Sorry, am I missing something or are you implying that there’s something wrong with using a teleprompter?

Edit: okay I see your responding to somebody else

Ok, so lots of suggestions and discussions.

I`ve watched a few of the suggestions Robert Cowen, CNC Kitchen, Clough42.

Now for the million dollar question, has anyone seen an actual bad review?
from what I`ve seen there is universal praise with some pushback on the 350mm wide build (which isn’t), and some suggestion that the hotend is too complicated.

Now I`m not interested in the laser or cutting functions, I’ve standalone tools for these items but the 3d Printing capabilities seem amazing.

Quite frankly I haven’t seen any review declaring a printer “bad” in quite some time…

Well the Robert Cowan video made the XL look pretty bad! (I know I know, it’s older and Bambu probably tore one apart to learn from it, etc)

Only the youtubers that don’t have one seem to talk poorly about it - but I think that’s mainly because it resonates with their audience.

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:thinking:

So why would that be? It’s almost as if people on the printer review gravy train have some kind of disincentive against giving bad reviews, like, I dunno, not getting any more printers to review or having your affiliate codes cancelled.

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Yes, I dont think he is happy at all with the Prusa XL, its a shame as my MKS`s and minis are work horses and I was hoping to get an XL later this year but It just seems like Prusa dropped the ball with the printer and are still trouble shooting it.
Check out Monkey Brain Creations and follow their nightmare with an XL.

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Says he’s not doing any more printer reviews:

There is no bad printers, just bad owners. :thinking:

I think part of it is the industry has matured enough that most printers as a baseline probably do alright these days. Watching the speculation thread where everyone talked about up and coming printers and their releases. Most stuff came across just fine.

Years ago I purchased an Anycubic Vyper, and that printed marked a new era for me. It seemed the start of an age of printers that could just work out of the box. It was the first cheap printer I felt I could recommend to others. It was the first cheap printer I used that I felt competed with Prusa. This was before the X1 was released, and across the board things have only improved since then. The offerings from every manufacture has taken a step up. Not just because of the advancements that were already being made, but also the giant push that was Bambu’s disruption, that caused other manufactures to push even further than they had been.

That video by Cowan made me second guess my desire for the Prusa XL. It’s been something I’ve wanted, but his overview there kind of made me really consider maybe it’s not that good of a value. Well, not for me.

While I like the bigger build volume and the 5 tool heads, at the end of the day I don’t think I’d use those aspects enough to justify the very high cost. With the H2D, I could at least get mostly there. There’s not a whole lot I’d do that goes beyond the H2D build platform (there’s some, but still), and the dual extruder is perfect for the majority of what I’d do. My color prints are usually just two colors or I’m doing support material, so.

And the XL is just really expensive. I forget sometimes how expensive it actually is. But to get a 5 tool head version, like dannggg. And Cowan brought up some interesting points… like working with filament. I swap filament around a lot and I refuse to go non-ams now because it’s just so much easier to deal with. So even if I just limited myself to a two tool head version, it’d still be close to 3k and lack features I consider essential.

It’s honestly a little bit of a disappointing realization. Since the announcement of the Prusa XL, it’s been that one printer I dreamed of, wanted. Even with my enjoyment of Bambu, still.

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I think those will come later. The reason being I don’t think Bambu sent test printers to any of the big crafting or laser engraving channels that aren’t 3D printing related.

Those reviews should be frank because they will have to buy the printer with their own money… plus if they use a Cricut or a Silhouette every day they’ll be better equipped to compare the H2D to them. There are some really good laser engraving channels that hopefully will do reviews too.

Any recommendations?

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I really like @LaserEngraving911 … he does some really off the wall stuff that I would never think to try. I’m at work, I’ll post some more when I get home.

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Actually I’ve seen a couple videos where they got the laser and/or the combo units.

Sadly as I thought, they went deep into the printer side, and basically glossed over the laser and other add-ons. With the thought “I’m not sure what Bambu is intending to do with this…”