X1C veers off for a few layers, then comes back

I have printed a few parts, taller than 40mm, and all three of them suffer from layer shifting. Now I understand 3D printer can loose its position and drift a bit, but thing is, it always happens at around 35mm and then 40mm. Is veers off, then after few layers comes back. And this happens not on whole part!

So if I am printing a rectangle, only one its wall will have this problem. The other side is perfect.

One part that I printed had only one drift line, but it did not went back.

Also this drift is not sudden - it slowly drifts out of part’s wall outside ~1mm.

This looks like a software issue, because, as I said, this affects only one side of print and it usually goes back.

I printed in total ~5 parts with this new printer. Settings are almost default, except support.

Below you can see what I mean. So in this print the drift started on one wall and increase with length. Other wall is not affected.

Is it possible to please share the .3mf file used so we can check the settings?
Uploading a better picture which shows the problem better could help.

rc.3mf (1.5 MB)
Here is the 3mf file.

Difficult to capture the other angle in picture. I have added a photo of another part. Here you can see this drift happen also at 32mm from bottom. But after 5-6mm it drifts back. So this part has extruded wall a bit, but also it happens gradually in length. Like in previous photo (where it starts at left)

It goes off the position gradually.
I probably need to mention this is ASA at 0.4mm with 100 degree bed.

The problem looks to be related to the flow change in the higher section of the model:

It is recommended to try with 0.16mm profile, as it might help give better results.

At the same time, you can also try to enable a brim, because it could be linked to the part slightly loosing adhesion on the corners and leading to that print defect.

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At such low flow rates there should only barely visible changes on the print.
I print with flow rates as high as 40 and the flow rate changes for complex models are correspondingly large.

I see this artefacts happen every time the layer time changes too much AND every time the flow rate changes too much.
The first I try to explain with the pressure in the melting chamber and the hotend overshooting a bit.
CAN explain but shouldn’t have to because my other printers don’t suffer from this any way - use the Bambu ones.
The overshooting is only an issue for me with my high flow rates but won’t happen on the Bambu hotends with their low capacity flow rates.
On top of that comes the problem that physics won’t work this way!
The issue would have to be consistent in order to being a general one.

We are not talking about the minute amounts of plastic getting out too much due to the hotened design and flow changes.
We are talking about often OVER a millimetre sticking out from the model - this requires a change in the extrusion path to work!

There is quite a few topics about this in the forum where users also show pictures of the issue and how the printed model is so far out for certain sections that you can see the layer lines building up that angle.

A good calibration for the filament helps for the minor issues caused by flow rate changes and lowering the acceleration values a bit fixes the overshooting problem after sharp corners or small diameter curved paths.
Seems clear that for these cases we deal with pressure advance calculations not in line with the movement calculations.
For those really severe cases of things starting to literally poke out of the model I have to assume that something in the slicer is going wrong or that the printer firmware gets a hickup.
Changing to a lower layer height also changes ALL slicer calculations for the paths - so it is not a solution for the problem, just a workaround that costs a lot of time.

I downloaded the 3mf and try to print it now to give another comparison for the problem.
Will upload the pics once the print is done - about an hour or so…

Edit:
During the print I can see a strange thing.
When the front wall is done the move to the left pillar/post is MUCH slower than the other non-print moves.
I assume that since it is the longest distance the slicer uses it to increase the overall layer time.
With the pillar done, as it is quite short, this slow non-print move is gone as well.
The layer time goes down by quite a good amount.
As you can see by the preview pics the flow rate and speed does not really change that much.
So the main factor here is the loss of time for the layer.
The slim post in the back suffers from over-extrusion caused by the short length of the closed wall loops.
The filament just has nowhere to go and I know of no way to correct this without causing under-extrusion in other areas.




Can’t get a sharp pic from within the printer.
But here the shot from the build in chamber cam:


Will upload some pics of the print once out of the machine.
The result is of acceptable quality to me, all things considered.
For THIS model there does not seem to be any shifting happening, just the usual flow fluctuations.
In all fairness though: I used plain PLA here, not ASA as I had it in the AMS.
The result though should be the same considering the flaws I observe happen with all filaments.




As you can see on the front and back walls there is a well visible line.
In my case going into the model, not outwards.
You can also see that this line more dominant on one end - the END of the wall line, while the start is almost perfect.
The head speeds up and with that the extrusion flow goes down, resulting in this dinted line on the two walls and less dominant on the pillars.
My flow ratio and other calibration factors are good enough.
I can change this line’s appearance from what’s in the pics over being too much at the start all the way to being perfect at the end - but it is impossible to get a consistent line/dint effect.
With the over-extrusion so many users calibrate for this line would poke out - mostly at the start of it while towards the end it looks almost flush.
Without being able to adjust the PA settings I see no way for a user to get rid of these effects.

For the print I used lightning infill, 2 walls as the only change from the standard 0.2mm profile.
The print speeds for my hotend are increased evenly to result in a flow rate of no higher for combined infill and not exceeding 450mm/s for most print moves.
Outer wall is printed at 340mm/s, inner wall at 500mm/s.

I will try to access my first printed part and upload a photo. It also has these extrusions.

Your part seems to be much better, even though it has small line, it does not seem to be problematic. My part in first image has this drift of 1-2mm, so the part does not even fit correctly (the other part with double lines is reprinted and remodeled part which fits).

As I am very new to 3D printing - are you saying print speed is not the problem here? I also think this might be software bug.

Here I attached my first printed bigger part. Here you can see 3 extrusion walls. Last one happens also at ~32mm. I cannot upload 3mf, as it is too big (zip is not supported).

Am I assuming correctly by saying those lines are less worse in the missing top part of the image ?
Looks like the same inconsistency as in my comparison just far more protruding out.

Try this to check if it give enough improvement:
Start with the standard 0.2mm profile.
Change the settings you need changed then slice.
Check the speed/flow rate for the affected layers.
The main one is when this shorter posts is completed.
Whatever is much different to the layers before you note.
E.g. the speed change for these few layers, the flow or if both and fine the layer time.
At my speeds layer times can be very relative and won’t matter that much unless there is small details like the thin post - those struggle a bit unless I slow things down.

If you can’t get a more consistent preview for those areas with the above settings changes try this as a last resort:
Lower the speed for outer wall so that the change in layer time is less dominant.
E.G. if 150mm/s is the default go down to about 75 or 80.
The preview should show a more consistent flow and layer time like this.
If so try a test print with just the worst affected section, starting from about 2.5 to 3mm below.
You could also try to print the outer wall first with such a simple model and this should also improve things a little bit.
I rarely use this though as it throws off the calibrations for dimensional accuracy, parts no longer fit together as expected…

These lines do not completely dissapear at top, but they become less visible. Also, other side of part is slightly less affected.