Does anyone have experience with the x2d and p2s? Curious in your feedback
X2d has alot of nice features but does it also come with more problems
I only print pla really and every once in a while abs or asa…
for PLA get P1S. 25 characters
Thanks for your feedback
the P1S not the P2S though?
Yo need to decide what type of models you are printing. Do you need the extra size on the P2S vs P1S, or the smart things the P1S does like automatic filament pressure advance calibration?
While most models print in small parts that are fastened together, things like helmets are very annoying on a smaller machine like the P1S. If you are also doing mass production, the larger machines are just more efficient, allowing you do mulyiple prints at once, or print in a single operation instead of 2.
If you print a lot of models that need supports I would go for the X2D even for PLA.
I’m confused on the build size.. the P1S and P2S have the same build size at 256x256x256
the X2 is SLIGHTLY bigger at 256x256x260
Typically if its something that will require alot of supports i use my FormLabs or HeyGears resin printers
wanted to ask this one to though.. on the x2d… can you print the part with one nozzle and supports with the other?
Yes you can use the auxiliary nozzle for support materials; that was the intent for the X2D.
I use a dedicated AMS HT for that nozzle and the AMS 2 Pro for the left nozzle.
What you can’t do is use different size nozzles for the two hot ends, but no Bambu printers do that at this time.
could i use my regular AMS I use for my X1C and get a AMS HT for the support material?
I’ve never used any of the support only filaments… Taking its worth it?
Yes. You could even print from a dry-box or the external spool.
I like the HTs for their ability to dry engineering filaments and I can dry a single roll without having to burden other filaments.
If you get the X2D Combo you can just use your XC1 AMS for the auxiliary nozzle.
Yea I can’t count. Was thinking of H2S.
I’m really leaning more towards the P2S with the AMS Pro more than any though
I thought you was meaning the H2S but i wasn’t 100%
I wouldn’t get a P1S today. Switched from X1C to X2D and there are really lots and lots of improvements in the new generation, many not visible in the technical data or marketing materials. For me, one of the most important is the easy nozzle swap, relevant when you want to to print fine details with a 0,2mm nozzle. In the first generation, you have to unplug and replug 3 connectors, that are rated for less than 10 cycles by the manufacturer.
The new hotends also are far more capable. In the X1C, 22mm3/s was on the edge of what the hotend can handle and with a serious degradation in layer adhesion compared to slower speeds. I tested the new hotends up to 30mm³/s without bringing it to the limit. And that is with the regular hotend, not HF.
Inm many respects, the new generation seems far more polished to me. Z-homing is smoother and faster, automatic bed levelling is more intelligent and only levels the part of the bed that is actually used, automatic flow dynamics works excellent and doesn’t depend on material color and bed type for X1C ore none at all in P1S, nozzle cleaning is better, although there is still a bit of room for improvement in the SW, I could go on and on.
And then there is future software support. I’m not sure if new features are still provided for P1S. For X1C they only provide security updates. If P1S still receives new features then probably not for long anymore.
About P2S vs X2D: I think they are very similar with some features added in the X2D. Of course more parts and functions means more things that can potentially brake. And of course using a P2S is far simpler because many topics only arise with the second nozzle. Think about: how do you distribute your AMSs between the two nozzles? Do you want the additional Filament Track Switch that is known to make problems for many? Slicing gets an added layer, although I think they did a great job with the assignment in Bambu Studio.
If you just ignore the second nozzle at the beginning, I don’t see any downsides. The problems reported here a bunch of times seem to apply to both. And I think it is just a very small percentage of units that was delivered with problems.
I’m really leaning towards the P2S with AMS pro
I would say I’m a pretty average user and can fix things but why if I don’t have too… you know?
I really only ever print PLA with a max of 2 colors with is black and white
I have occasionally printed with ABS, ASA, and 1 time and 1 time only with AMS TPU
That being said I think the P2S is plenty but I wanted actual users perspective… not sales reps… lol
I have owned both.
The P2S is significantly simpler to use, but if you want to print ABS/ASA/NYLON etc, you won’t get the layer adhesion that the heated chamber of the X2D will give.
I frequently use PLA as support for PETG and ASA as support for Nylon , and vice-versa for both.
I tried this on the P2S, and the nozzle contamination, extra time for filament change/purge made the print failure rate very high. On the X2D it is minimal fuss, and much faster print times.
thats the main purpose according to Bambu for the Aux nozzle
Had a P2S and now have an X2D.
Can only echo what others have said but here’s my tuppence:
P2S: great printer for the price, will be fine for most things PLA and PETG. Where it struggled was with more complex materials like ABS or ASA where it simply struggled to maintain the temps needed.
In fact, most mods I did internally were things like fan diverters (eg hot air down deflector, upper cold air up diverter etc) to solve the issues having only one fan for heating/cooling on one side only gives.
All of this is negated by the:
X2D: which has a MUCH better heating/cooling/venting system (fans both sides L & R plus exhaust) - meaning I can print ASA much easier and don’t need half the mods I did on the P2S (all I have in the X2D are a few dust covers (eg for z-axis))
That alone is reason enough for me to pay the £80-odd more, but it’s even more vfm when you realise you’re also getting an extra nozzle which helps in reducing print time etc.
I would say however, I think it should ship with the track switch which I think is essential imo. So adding that cost adds another £60……. but even then I think it’s good vfm.
TLDR: just printing PLA or PETG? P2S is fine. Printing in more complex material like ABS and wanting quicker print times? Get the X2D for £140 more
I had the same thought, but with the current anniversary deals, the difference is more like 200. That’s a difference where I would say both are very good deals and you should really choose the one that better fits your use case.
Regarding Filament track switch: When you have 2 AMS, it certainly is a great tool. With more AMS, you again have the problem how to group them together. I use this tool instead and don’t miss the FTS at all:
https://makerworld.com/en/models/2055763-the-four-in-two-ptfe-adapter#profileId-2219126
It also works great in combination with the FTS, if you need the switching within a print.
But that probably isn’t yet relevant for the decision.
I have 2x AMS and an AMS HT, the printer itself is in the garage out of the way. For me, the fact that the FTS is fully automatic was worth it because I don’t have to keep running down to the garage to switch things around.
X2D hands down. That was my 4th Bambu Labs printer, and it’s a real step above a single extruder printer, and at an extremely small price jump, so very much worth it.
Don’t believe the negative hype over the bowden extruder. Yes it’s different, but not enough to be a real concern for 99.9% of us. I’ve actually had more issues with the left extruder in my X2D. All 3D printers will have issues from time to time, it’s a fact of life. I actually have far more issues with the AMS 2 Pros than the printers from Bambu Labs.
I’ve used the right side extruder for support more than anything. The ability to use a different filament to make support removal is a game changer. I also print mostly PLA, and using PETG for the supports means the supports just fall off without any work.
Biggest mod I can suggest for the X2D is a top cover riser to lift the glass up a bit to give the PTFE tubes more room to move around.