It’s not off topic in the context of what you were replying to. And I literally said it was a small side note. I was simply correcting your incorrect statement that you could upload print profiles that modify models when they have a standard license.
The report is a little difficult to get to but it’s there:
- Click the bad profile
- Click the three dot menu to the right of “copywrite claim”
- Select “Profile”
The profile you selected should be showing and you pick a reason from the drop down.
The only problem with that solution is: exponential growth vs. tiny (possibly one person) Bambu moderation team.
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The option to delete such profile would be great (I’m all for designers being able to manage 3rdparty profiles), but the option to report is there. Simply report the profile and cite MakerWorld Print Profile Upload Guidelines section “Prohibited practices”, point 3: Uploading print profiles repeatedly - I’ve never had problems when phrased using exact rules.
Yes that is good. I did report this profile although it was a bit hidden (first had to select the profile then the three dots in the top corner). But again searching for those and identifying them if you have a lot of models is very cumbersome. I just heard of this practice the first time now thanks to this thread.
There are several situations where profile brings benefit to designer, the most important being upload of print profile for model that doesn’t have one. Without profile a model cannot be printed via Bambu Handy so profile enables that and allows model creator to “rake in” the points for those prints and model creator is rewarded for the model 4x that of profile maker (or 5x if the model is in exclusive program).
Of course not all 3rd party print profile uploads are malignant. But nothing that can’t be solved by a robust system in the first place. For example if there is no print profile at all points can be shared. If there is a print profile (from designer) allow for moderation of the designer. I also do not see it feasible that bambulabs team moderates everything …
Personally - I had user upload a profile which allowed mounting on curved surfaces and I haven’t thought of that. I don’t mind them getting points for that.
That sounds like a quite rare case. If they add (fundamental) functional extras and features AND they want to earn points they can also go down the remix path.
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That is also interesting. It seems when I do not upload a print profile for the first 3rd party profile the maker points are accredited to me?
Is this an automated mechanism or has the uploader chosen that?
They can’t if the licence prohibits that.
That’s only when the profile creator chose to credit points to the designer. That’s very nice of them.
Yes just double checked … happened to only one model of mine. 
it’s not only nice, it’s the right thing to do, creating a profile takes a couple of minutes…
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Depends. Some indeed take minutes and add no value, while other require a lot of fiddling in the sliced and couple test prints or at the very least add the value of actually having the print profile when the model creator is unable/unwilling to post one themselves.
Anyway - my point is that profile leeches as well as any type of point farmers & model scammers do ruin things for everybody. I do believe that profile creators that do add value shouldn’t be shunned from the point system, but at the same time those that do not add value and simply “leech” off of successful models shouldn’t. Giving model creator control over 3rd party profiles is probably the easiest way to combat leeching without “ruining things for everybody”
@MakerWorld / @Tanklet, please do this to keep your designers happy. Here, I’ll put a poll for you.
Fix It: The model designer can select one of three options for their profile:
- Option one, they are the only person who can upload profiles.
- Option two, they have to approve every profile manually, and when approving they can choose to Deny, Approve, or Approve, but the designer keeps the points.
- Or option three, anyone can make profiles, but all points go to the designer by default. If the designer thinks that the profile creator did a good job and added something useful (like manually painting in a model), they can choose to give the points to the model creator instead. The designer can also remove any profiles they wish to.
Ignore It: Don’t change anything. The spammers are doing a lot of work. They have to download the designer’s profile, figure out a better infill percentage, change the layer height, remove some of the optional plates to make it look faster, and then print it and upload it.
- Fix It
- Ignore It
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And @PrinterMcgee, I recommend renaming this thread- perhaps “A Suggestion to Stop Profile Spam”?
What do you all think? Make sure to vote for whichever you prefer, or suggest changes to the options if you can think of anything better!
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Done!
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no uploads ever is not functional, too many creators never upload a profile (unless you ban uploads without a profile)
If I ever upload a profile (and I have a few) it’s because I wanted significant changes and I always allocate profile rating points to the creator)
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Different less intrusive idea: reduce the visibility of non-creator profiles on the page.
It’s already present - non-creator profiles are always sorted last and designer’s profiles are always sorted first, regardless of rating for said profiles. Or do you mean some further reduction in visibility?
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i love this, it should be the default. If anyone remembers the saga of that one guy that was just profile spamming anything trending (forgot name at the moment)
I have been saying this for so long, if someone wants to add a profile to my design, i should be able to accept/deny it. full stop
if another creator truly thinks they can do better, it can fall under remixes and therefore the remix rules would apply instead (along with the ability to flag it etc)
i don’t love 3. i think a great part of the profile system is that someone can be a great designer, and another person can improve its printability with a profile. but dot point 1 solves this issue of beiung abused entirely
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I still can see a value brought by profile creators, especially for designers uploading models without print profiles… The profile moderation option for designers would cut most of the shenenigans. I know the point of the thread is to limit the incentive and/or ways for leeches to leech off, but that can also harm those who do bring some value (some examples: like one profile creator who added mounting options to my model (that wouldn’t be able to make a remix) or when uploader haven’t (and still hasn’t) uploaded their profile or when the size/fit/printability got improved… )
Can you image something that would retain the possiblity of actual good 3rd party profiles still being rewarded while cutting on spam and leeches?
Oh this can be a problem: models under SFL? no chance of remix. A simple remix of adding different mount type? Rejected due to too small modification. Actual remix? Then the remix creator gets points for model and profile and original model author gets none (which can be then seen as “remix leeching”)
Yesterday I created a profile for this model:
In the original one the dots were printed separately and needed to be glued on, while my 3D printer is a glorified motorized hot glue gun. So I had to do a lot of slicer (and a bit of CAD) jiggery-pokery to get the dots slightly above the dials while still being attached.
I truly believe I enhanced the profile, since you can see artefacts on the dots printed with the original profile. Would I have minded if those points went to the creator? Not really, but I can see how those points can be valuable to some of they put the time in. Did I give the potential points to the creator? No, because I put time and effort in it.
And I have been helped out by members with their profiles on my models as well. On my roll up chess board somebody scaled it down and test printed it on an A1 mini, something I just don’t have the means or motivation for. So happy days!
I did not yet encounter “real” spamming though, so I would want to be able to remove profiles of I want to. But somebody posted a slightly faster print profile for my refill spool. I might have removed that one if it was as simple as denying it, but would that have been a better solution for end users?
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Fully agreed, if for no other reason then safety. By default the model’s designer should be most knowledgeable on what constitutes safe settings for their model. Other actors being able to manipulate a model is dangerous.
Example: I post a hook designed for 80% infill and 6 walls with X material. Joe Schmoe downloads and then re-uploads a hotshot profile with lightning infill. Hang a heavy bag and SNAP goodnight (insert family’s chihuahua name here).
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I found a lightbox for a nephew’s alma mater but it was basic and had no profile. Since I created one in the process of printing it I uploaded it to the original page as an available profile.
The profile I posted has gotten lots of downloads - way more than the original model - and all the points go to the original model author. To be honest it stings a bit. Not even a thanks from the original author.
So if someone posts a profile to one of your models and it gets you lots of downloads, points, and 5 star ratings, counterpoint to profile spam - give them a shout and just say thanks.
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Also need a sorting feature or a date stamp (without hover) to know you’re getting the latest version by that creator.
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One on mine downloaded it, change the filament colour and uploaded, no other settings changed.
@MakerWorld felt the “no minor differences” rule wasn’t triggered here and let the thief continue stealing.
If you only change the filament colour, how more minor can you get.
@MakerWorld are full of bluster and we make the rules yet only enforce them randomly.
Until they enforce their own rules each and every time they will continue to be a joke.
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