Ability to approve user submitted Print Profiles

I think it may be time to reconsider user uploaded print profiles. I spend the time making prototypes and adjusting slicer settings and after sometimes dozens of prints, I upload the model. Someone downloads it, makes few changes to the slicer, prints their own copy and then uploads their changes. If someone else prints that profile and the print fails, their print profile will be rated poorly but it also reflects on my model. I think the simplest change would be to have the ability to reject an uploaded print profile. They could even default to being approved. I suspect that only a few percent of non-designer submitted print profiles are beneficial.

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Many are just a vehicle to skim downloads and points from the original poster.

User submitted profiles need to be able to be approved by creators and removed by creators.

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Usually some people just post a new print profile where they change the material and that’s it. I think that is to less. Or make a print plate with 5 items, even you have one with plate with 3,6 or 12 items on it.

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Yeah. That would work perfectly. Not. :smiley:

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Changing material type as basis for new profile is “prohibited practice” under profile upload guidelines (point 5): MakerWorld Print Profile Upload Guidelines | Bambu Lab Wiki

Making profile with multiple copies is prohibited practice under profile upload guidelines (point 6): MakerWorld Print Profile Upload Guidelines | Bambu Lab Wiki

In both cases report citing those exact points of guidelines as reason for report pretty much guarantees quick takedown of offending profile.

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The thumbs down are cute :smiley:
The way I’ve got to know it here, everyone is greedy for points and doesn’t begrudge the other the butter on the bread. If creators could decide that profiles disappear … then that would be also abused. Then there would certainly be enough people who delete profiles just so that they don’t have to give up any of their points to others. Whether justified - or not.

Of course there are people who upload really pointless profiles. But because of the ill-will, many people would certainly delete perfectly good profiles just so that they can have their own points.

Replacing an imperfect system with another imperfect system cannot be a good solution.

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designers create print profiles that go in line with what they want to achieve with their models, if you then see people just creating farming print profiles for no reason, it should indeed be up to the designer to remove them, without needing to go through a reporting system.

then you have the profiles that clearly are meant as click bait, where the settings are adjusted to take half the print time it should take, by lowering the quality to an unacceptable level, but then using catchy titles on the profile name.

it’s not even so much about the points, as they are quite lower than what you get from dowloads - although i do believe it’s not very ethical to try to make gains out of someone else’s work, i think i’ve only created one or two profiles that were not of my own designs, and i assigned the points to the creator, that option is there - but there are profiles that actually give out poor results, and people tend to think that it’s a design issue, and not poor setttings

at the end of the day, it’s your work, and you are the one that can best determine how it should be printed, as you’ve went through the prototype stages to get to where you want it

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The way you write, you obviously believe that all the ‘creators’ here are total professionals who know exactly what they’re doing :smiley:

I’ve only created 3-4 profiles so far. With 3 models there wasn’t a single one - just an STL file. And with one of them, the settings of the ‘creator’ were so absurdly wrong that I just made my file available. I think i’ve deleted the last one already …

As I already wrote … the system is not good. But leaving it to ALL creators themselves is just as broken. With the current system, you give people the opportunity to abuse it by uploading useless profiles. With the other system, you give people the opportunity to prevent others from publishing useful and good profiles.

I think pretty much EVERY other platform works exactly the way you want it to here. There are no profiles. Nobody else can upload anything there either. It’s just your model and your file. That’s it.

In my opinion, one way to improve this would be to first show only the Designer profile. Then you can expand the menu to see other profiles as well. Perhaps a small warning when downloading that this profile has NOT been verified by the designer (here you could introduce something like this so that the creator can verify it) and that should be enough. Then the downloader really knows what he has downloaded. Because it had to ACTIVELY select it.

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You’re missing the point. People post profiles with minor changes on the creator’s pages to skim points by piggybacking on popular profiles. It’s no different than URLs that look almost like well known ones, product names close to known brands, etc.

If Bambu/MW allows creators to block 3rd party point-skimming profiles, you are totally free to post your “creations” on your own creator page as long as it doesn’t violate the original model license. That isn’t acceptable to you because you want the exposure and to piggyback on the popular model. If all you cared about was making the model available for the greater good, posting all your “fixed” profiles on the creators’ pages wouldn’t be so important. You want the free ride.

And no, not all profiles are intended to skim points. Original creators can decide for themselves if they want to allow those.

And why is it so important to you to post print profiles on other peoples’ model pages? Is it the work? Maybe ask the original creator if they allow 3rd party profiles first? Why waste your time? Why is it a big deal if the original creator doesn’t want 3rd party profiles? If you ask them first then you don’t waste your time.

And last, why is it the very popular models get loaded up with 3rd party profiles? You’d think this altruistic help the world with better models stuff wouldn’t all just happen to land on featured models, contest winners, etc.

Designers want the ability to stop it. Why is that bad?

Don’t waste your time “improving” the model - ask the designer first if it’s ok.

And stop pretending it’s all for the best. There may be some better profiles that get posted but the vast majority are parasite profiles intended to skim points from popular models. You know it. We know it. Why try to paint it as anything less than what it is - gaming the system and committing fraud to steal from legitimate creators.

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Your whole post is full of false assumptions of things I didn’t say - and you’re telling me I missed the point? :smiley:

It’s not important to me personally at all. I do understand the problem. You’d know that too if you’d read my posts :wink: The three profiles I posted were only because none existed yet. They were models with zero downloads. I do things like that for the community and not for the ‘free ride’. So that people on mobile phones also have a print profile directly. But thanks for the insinuation, you can save yourself the answer to me - I won’t answer you any more in this topic.

I also made a suggestion as to how this could be counteracted. And simply putting all the ‘power’ in the hands of the creators is, in my opinion, no better than the current system.

I still only find these ‘outstanding’ models on these payment platforms. Of course there will be a few exceptions, but otherwise Makerworld is no different to Printables, Thingiverse or Cult3D - now speaking of model quality.

Everyone else who really wants to earn money with it will continue to exhibit it on other platforms. I doubt that they will be deterred by the profile feature here :slight_smile:

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I would hope and bet that you gave the points to the original creator. If you keep them for yourself that tells us all we need to know. On the model where I posted a 3rd party profile, I gave the points to the original model creator.

But the people I’m talking about don’t do that and there seems to be lots of them.

What you are doing is commendable but what designers want is to be able to remove or block 3rd party profiles. People can still make them and post them to their own pages - if the license allows. Designers could still allow them if they want. But those who don’t want the parasites should be able to block them.

Forcing click through to see them would possibly help, but why do you deny what most want? You have your solution that works for you. You apparently can’t identify with the people losing downloads to the parasites.

You want it your way and for now that’s the way bambu runs this place. Hopefully bambu sees it harms designers.

And the next wrong assumption. You should really find yourself a hobby … I’m sorry for you that you obviously can’t understand my sentences. That’s it for me at this point, have a nice evening (or whatever time of day it may be).

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I assumed you gave the points to the original creator. I was wrong about that?

Yes, please, I think the majority of us would allow 3rd party profiles if they add something to the print, anyway

Instead I have to report one a week on my models that have slightly resized my model or somehow made it unprintable

And that’s important. If one user can help out another by providing a working 3mf, that’s great. Most would be very happy to have someone help them out. Or maybe the new 3mf really is an improvement the original creator wants to channel to other users.

But it should be the original creator’s call and the reality is there’s a whole lot of sponges and not many helpers.

And all this doesn’t matter at all. MW has rules now that allow people to sponge and skim points. Designers need to be able to allow or disallow other profiles as they see fit.

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Can you buy models on Printables? That was new to me. I knew it from Cults3D. There are certainly other sites where you can buy high-quality models. Especially with the community-strong Printables, I would doubt that their main interest is in paying creators.

What I meant by that was: If I’m looking for ‘normal’ models, I go to Makerworld first, if I can’t find anything there I go to Printables - and if I can’t find anything there, I go to Thingiverse. (before I had an X1C, I didn’t know Makerworld at all). The models are of a similar quality everywhere. If I’m looking for a high-quality model, complex, lots of parts, maybe for sale - then none of the three platforms is my first choice. So these types of models have always been found elsewhere - and still are.

I don’t think that the print profile function here will stop people from offering these high-quality models here. There have always been other platforms for money-driven creators.

Maybe I’m just too old. For me, 3D printing is first and foremost about the community. That’s why I’m honestly not a particularly big fan of the points system here. I only realised that these points even existed two months after I bought my X1C and being part of Makerworld-Community.

I have nothing to say here anyway. It’s just my opinion that creators shouldn’t have sole power. The greed for money shows that there would be people there who would take advantage of that. Just as there are now people who exploit the current system. There has to be a better solution. And if it’s really about good and paid-for models, then Makerworld also needs a different system - that has nothing to do with the print profiles anyway.

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I’ll be honest, I still don’t agree for getting points just because I provided a missing or possibly better profile to a fellow creator.

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Here the solution is very very simple, no matter who uploads a profile, ALL POINTS should always belong to the creator of the design. If this change would be applied, you would see how 90% of the profiles of third parties would disappear.

In my case, several times they have published a profile in one of my designs with the option “give points to the designer”, only to delete it 1h later and upload it again without giving me the points, clearly to deceive me with a nice notification and then keep the points for themselves. This system is abused in multiple ways.

If the points were ALWAYS for the designer, or at least if there is a profile provided by the designer, the point farmers would have nothing to do, and those who legitimately wanted to improve the profile would do it anyway.

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I also think the first step would be to at least tick the checkbox so that the creator gets the points. It hasn’t been there forever, I first noticed it via a screenshot in the forum. And the designer’s profile should be not just highlighted, it should also be stand-alone. Other profiles could be hidden in an expandable panel (as they are now, if there are too many).

And after that … Hm … You can certainly give profile creators something. But what and how that looks should be decided by others. Some people put a lot of work into it - and the odd misprint. You can give them something. Otherwise, the whole feature can actually be cancelled - and nobody gets extra points for a profile. :slight_smile:

The creator doesn’t go away empty-handed. And his profile is still there. For example, I usually read the comments beforehand (they often tell me if something didn’t work with the print) and then decide which of the profiles with the parameters that I find most conclusive to download.

You get points for the model in the form of boosts (Creator).
You get points for downloading the model (Creator).
You get points for downloading a profile (creator of the profile).

2 out of 3 are always for the creator. If not all 3. His profile is always the first on top and marked with the Designer-Tag already.

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bambu lab is very good at having the person that changed a design post what the design origionally was that was changed.
And those that downloaded your origional design I am sure had good things to say, so those that matter will go with the origional design. i had been through the same problem recently where someone from another country had a different version of something everyone else had that worked perfectly. And his one horrible review of my design brought the whole score down. And greatly reduced any more boosts. Evidently in his country, with his model, the word that we have not discovered unobtanium on the planet pandora that made things float in mid air had not reached that corner of the world yet, but unfortunately PC’s, the internet and keyboard ragers did. But not to worry. People will find your origional design and print with no problems, im sure.