I observed this person for two hours……
https://makerworld.com/en/u/1453615012
he kept repeating this: upload spams—farming model printing times—delete spams, like an assembly line.
In 2 hours, his print count +400, and countless rewards points also increased.
This seems to have become a new type of Bitcoin mining, haha 
So print the model… photograph it on a green screen and then superimpose whatever background you want. Truth be told, most of these render people have no intention of ever printing any of these models, nor do they have any idea if the model in question will even print at all. We’ve even seen that some of the renderers have a texture the simulates layer lines now which is ridiculous. If you are willing to go that far to fake a print then why are you even involved in 3D design? It’s clearly just point whoring.
the biggest question I ask myself is how can he get that much prints and downloads within 2 hours…?
makes me not want to post any more models. why, when people are here to just abuse the system. got me Bambu and start posting some stuff exclusively here for fun. Things like that make me want to stop. i work hard for what i am doing to see these types of people, i’m like wow.
As long as he registers many accounts in advance, all he does is switch accounts to download or print his own models. What these models used for cheating have in common is that the actual models are very small and only take a few seconds to print.
For professional cheating organizations, the efficiency will be higher.
If you look at the actual print (not the picture) it is a 1g square which prob takes all of 10 seconds after warmup routine. The patsy downloads it and rates 5stars to top it off.
我和大家一样希望能减少垃圾文件让社区变得更好，只是我并不认同现在这种做法。因为这并不是一个有效的办法，垃圾文件将会添加一张照片而继续存在。而真正让我惋惜的是这扼杀了一切！
I share everyone’s desire to reduce spam and make the community a better place, but I don’t agree with the current approach. Since this is not an effective method, the junk file will continue to exist with a photo added. And what I really regret is that it kills everything!
这让我想到一部最近很火的动漫“葬送のフリーレン”（Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End）里面有一个有趣的设定：箱子里99%是怪物但有1%是宝藏，你是选择否定一切还是选择挑战尝试？
This reminds me of a recent popular anime “葬送のフリーレン” (Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End) in which there is an interesting setting: 99% of the chest is monsters but 1% is treasure, do you choose to deny everything or choose to challenge and try?
现在的行为在清除低质量文件的同时毫无疑问的误伤了隐藏在其中的优秀设计，哪怕只有1%，这令我感到心痛。
It pains me to know that the current practice of removing low-quality files is undoubtedly damaging even 1% of the good design hidden in them.
我不确定其他人是如何期待3D打印能够带来的乐趣的，是可以简单的复制别人所做的一切而不用做任何思考与挑战吗？对我来说我更喜欢他所带来的各种挑战和尝试，去探索无限的可能性。
I’m not sure how other people expect the fun that 3D printing can bring, is it possible to simply copy everything done by others without any thinking or challenge? For me, I prefer the challenges and attempts he brings to explore the infinite possibilities
我见过许多模型其实并不适合打印（这些只要具有一定的经验就能辨别其实并不会很困难）但我依然会为其中一些有趣的创意点赞。虽然我并不会打印它们，但我会为它所带来的启发而欢呼。
I’ve seen a lot of models that aren’t really printable (these aren’t hard to spot with a bit of experience), but I still like some of the interesting ideas. I don’t print them, but I applaud the inspiration.
我能理解目前的糟糕体验源于过多的低质量模型，仿佛是在垃圾堆里寻找宝藏一样让人绝望。但为此而选择将它们一起丢掉显然是不明智的冲动行为。这对那些被误伤的创作者也是巨大的伤害（没错，我会这么说是因为我觉得我是受害者之一）。同样不排除有人会利用现在的准则恶意举报那些不知情的优秀创作者，这显然不利于社区的创作与发展。
I can understand that the current bad experience stems from too many low-quality models, which feel like a desperate search for treasure in a garbage dump. But to choose to throw them all away is obviously an unwise impulse. It’s also a huge disservice to the creators who get hit by mistake (and yes, I’ll say that because I feel like I’m one of the victims). It also does not rule out that some people will use the current guidelines to maliciously report those excellent creators who do not know, which is obviously not conducive to the creation and development of the community.
相比如何评判模型的质量我认为现在更急切的是如何清理那些利用规则漏洞谋取利益的人。我希望大家能讨论出更加理性的解决方案，而不是简单粗暴的否定一切，这让我感到害怕。事实上大家能辨别图片做出举报的选择也正说明了大家都有自己的思考和判断能力，如果拥有合理的评分机制那么时间能够证明一切，让好的作品浮现而将那些垃圾永远埋葬。
I think what’s more urgent now than how to judge the quality of the model is how to clean up those who take advantage of loopholes in the rules. I hope we can discuss a more rational solution instead of simply denying everything, which scares me. The fact that people can identify the images and make the choice to report also shows that everyone has their own thinking and judgment ability, if there is a reasonable scoring mechanism then time can tell everything, let the good works emerge and bury the garbage forever.
I don’t want to continually butt my head against the same old wall, but I’m baffled by another 3D Print Enthusiast who doesn’t feel the need to present their work in “the flesh”. I cannot deny there are talented people who will render up an award winning scene for their Model. This rarely attracts me to a model if I’m totally honest. I am jaded possibly? But I seem to appreciate the Model more than the shiny, end of the day it could sit on a pile of carp and it’d be ok. The design, the challenge, practicality, etc are what I look for.
Where does 3d-printing go from here if suddenly you don’t have to present printed evidence but simply render up a pretty picture with a model in the middle? Why did I buy another 3d printer if this is the case, we will all just transfer files to each other…
I’ll go out on a limb and say that those who battle with this concept of printed evidence for EACH model want to skip the hard stuff to get the rewards. The main excuses I’ve heard so far have not proved me wrong, usually it boils down to laziness and entitlement. If your catalogue is great and you want to express your artistry, there are many other websites that cater for this niche. MakerWorld to me shouldn’t go down that path.
Currently there is no rule to say that every model has to be uploaded. You get to choose what you want and print it out, then upload it with a Tick in the box to say this is what it looks like when I print it. People will look at it and decide that it looks good, wow I didn’t know a 3d print could do that, or maybe it doesn’t really look that nice with those daggy overhangs or the colours don’t pop as good as the rendered picture.
If I’m going to download a basketball thats going to take seven days to print, you’d better hope it works, oh thats right, they always do. I want to know you took the time to fine tune the settings and can at least have half a clue as to what could go wrong because you did have a few failures. It’s ok though, I trust you did get it right.
The problem is that many people CAN’T identify renders. I spend a good deal of time on social media while on conference calls for work. I see multiple posts per week from inexperienced users asking what filaments and settings the renders are using to get the final look in the photos. At best they are setting these people up for disappointment by showing an imagine that cannot be achieved… at worst they know this and it’s simply bait and switch.
Bambu created a platform for people that are not technically savvy. It’s a printer for everyone so we can’t assume that the average user knows anything.
下载者的利益与创作者的利益，我想这应该就是这次讨论的对立点。
The interests of the downloader versus the interests of the creator, I think that’s the point of contention in this discussion.
你说的没错，从下载者的角度出发没人愿意花几天时间却最终换回一堆塑料垃圾。只上传渲染图而不去验证是对下载者利益的损害，这样的创作者显然是不负责任的。但并非所有作者都是如此。
You’re right, from a downloader’s perspective no one wants to spend days only to end up with a pile of plastic. Uploading a rendering without verifying it is detrimental to the interests of downloaders, and such creators are obviously irresponsible. But this is not true of all authors.
我想以自己的遭遇举例，希望大家在争取自身打印体验的同时，也能从创作者的角度出发，保留一个开放包容的创作交流空间：
I would like to take my own experience as an example, and hope that while striving for your own printing experience, you can also keep an open and inclusive space for creative exchange from the perspective of creators:
1.设计师需要获得反馈进行完善的空间：
there some same question, as a creator should be responsible for their own model, and as a download should also retain their own discrimination and judgment, to give it to others is not responsible for their own. It is natural to want high-quality models to ensure print quality, but if you just want to simply copy and do not want to take any risks, then why not directly buy someone else’s finished model and use a 3d printer? I insist that creators should be responsible for their own models, but it is obviously unreasonable to impose the same risks that all downloaders face on creators, accidents will happen, different copycats face different problems, which is not guaranteed by the author, and it is therefore necessary to give creators more tolerance. Ability to collect feedback from downloaders to update optimization models. This is good for both creators and downloaders.
没人能证明你是错的，因为你作为模型下载者只是在维护自己的利益这很合理，我也并不否定它，作为一个模型下载者没有人会希望到处充斥着难以打印的虚假的渲染图。但是作为下载者你们也许谈论的是这对当下的模型质量的改善，而作为创作者我想谈论的是这对未来发展的影响。如你所说，那些只是上传渲染图片且不负责任的上传者完全可以转去其他平台，但同样的那些被误伤的负责创作者也会被波及而选择离开。如此做法打击了许多优秀创作者的热情，长此以往未来的新作品将会越来越少，试问一个缺少新鲜创作的平台还有未来可言吗？为了确保质量而滥杀无辜，伤害到无辜创作者打击创作的热情，你会希望看到无辜创作者被伤害空留一个不再更新的bambu，反复打印已经被验证无数次的老旧模型吗？bambu的未来难道就应该是其他网站被反复验证过的老旧模型收藏夹吗？
No one can prove you wrong because you’re just acting in your own interest as a model downloader and that’s reasonable, and I’m not denying it, No one wants to be flooded with fake renderings that are hard to print. But you may be talking about how this improves the quality of models today, and I want to talk about how this affects the future. As you said, those uploaders who just upload rendering images and are irresponsible can go to other platforms, but the same responsible creators who are accidentally hurt will also be affected and choose to leave. This approach has discouraged the enthusiasm of many excellent creators, and in the long run, there will be fewer and fewer new works in the future. Is there any future for a platform lacking fresh creation? In order to ensure the quality of the indiscriminate killing of innocent people, hurt innocent creators to destroy the enthusiasm of creation, you would want to see innocent creators hurt to leave a no longer updated Bambu, repeatedly printing the old model that has been proven countless times? Should the future of Bambu be a collection of old, well-tested models from other sites?
以上是我从创作者的角度出发表达的感受，希望大家保护自身利益的同时也能从创作者的角度出发看待问题，并非所以作者都是不负责任的，对有些人来说这些或许只是借口。没关系，这并也不是这次争论的重点。
The above is my feelings expressed from the perspective of the creator, I hope that everyone can protect their own interests at the same time can also look at the problem from the perspective of the creator, not so the author is irresponsible, for some people these may just be an excuse. That’s okay. That’s not what this argument is about.
我真正质疑的是现在所进行的粗暴行进。
任何想要反驳我的人都在回避这样的事实，利用美好的目标来掩盖鲁莽的暴行！
看看你们做了什么，这就像是一场闹剧，创作者没有得到有效的通知，人们开始随意举报发泄不满而不用承担任何后果，质量和体验的提升十分有限，矛盾和冲突反而增多，最后无辜的创作者为此承受了最多的伤害。追求更高的质量和更好的体验理所应当，但不应该以伤害无辜者作为为代价！就像我前面说的Bambu因该停止这场闹剧寻找更合理的方案并对无辜的受害者给予补偿。
What I really question is the rough march that is taking place.
Anyone who tries to contradict me is avoiding the truth and using beautiful goals to cover up reckless brutality!
Look at what you have done, it is like a farce, the creators were not effectively notified, people began to freely report grievances without any consequences, the quality and experience of the improvement is very limited, contradictions and conflicts on the contrary, in the end, the innocent creators suffered the most harm. The pursuit of higher quality and better experiences is justified, but not at the expense of harming innocent people! As I said before, Bambu should stop this farce and find a more reasonable solution and compensate the innocent victims.
维护下载者的利益不应以牺牲创作者的热情为代价：
Protecting the interests of downloaders should not come at the expense of the passion of creators:
我想我前面说的足够多了，如你所说Bambu是为所有人打造的平台，除了下载者也包括创作者，没有人的利用该被忽视，包括那些创作者！你们的要求简单合理，但现在的做法荒诞鲁莽。那些不知情的创作者谁真正为社区作出贡献成为了最后的受害者。
I think I’ve said enough before, as you said Bambu is a platform for everyone, not only downloaders but also creators, and no one’s use should be ignored, including those creators! Your request is simple and reasonable, but what you’re doing here is absurd and reckless. Those uninformed creators who really contribute to the community become the last victims.
你们想要维护使用者的利益，我希望维护创作者的利益，从各自的角度出发没人会是错的。
You want to protect the interests of users, I want to protect the interests of creators, from their point of view no one can be wrong.
如果你追求一个一开始就完美存在的模型，那在我眼里没有一个模型是完美的，我上传的所有模型始终乐意听取大家的反馈，我希望能在交流反馈中不断完善让他们变的更好。
If you pursue a model that is perfect from the beginning, then no model is perfect in my eyes, all the models I upload are always willing to listen to everyone’s feedback, and I hope to constantly improve in exchange for feedback to make them better.
不排除有作者有着优秀的想法以及糟糕的打印技术这种情况，或许他会将它的理想效果渲染出来，而将模型作为一种挑战寻找能够实现它的打印高手。我认为这也是可以接受的，因为这并不强迫也不存在欺诈只要注明即可。害怕风险可以选择离开将机会留给愿意尝试的人，等别人成功后再享受成果。但不要单方面的否定让他人失去机会，作者失去热情。
It is not ruled out that there is a writer with a good idea and a bad printing technique, perhaps he will render its ideal effect, and use the model as a challenge to find a printer who can implement it. I think that’s also acceptable, because it’s not coercive and it’s not fraudulent as long as it’s stated. Fear of risk can choose to leave the opportunity for those willing to try, wait for others to succeed and enjoy the results. But do not unilaterally negative so that others lose the opportunity, the author lost enthusiasm.
我希望的是停止这种简单否定一切的做法。这对谁都是不利的，无论是创作者、下载者还是Bambu本身。如果你觉得能管理好自己做到合理的举报，你又是否能为其他人的行为担保？多少不知情的创作者被随意的伤害又该由谁来负责？
What I would like is to stop this practice of simply denying everything. This is bad for everyone, whether creators, downloaders or Bambu itself. If you feel you can manage your own reporting properly, can you vouch for the actions of others? How many unwitting creators are randomly harmed and who is responsible?
这次问题的关键在于目前的做法对创作者打击更多而对破坏者的制裁和下载者的维护有限，并且会被人恶意使用伤害无辜者。作为下载者我会渴望经过验证的可靠模型，而作为创作者我会渴望开放和包容的环境。这并不冲突，我现在所探讨的就是寻找更合理的方式改善品质保障下载者的体验同时也不损害创作者的热情。
The crux of the issue this time is that the current approach strikes more at creators and less at saboteurs and downloads, and can be used maliciously to harm innocent people. As a downloader I would crave a proven and reliable model, and as a creator I would crave an open and inclusive environment. It’s not a conflict, and what I’m talking about here is finding more reasonable ways to improve the quality assurance downloaders’ experience without compromising the passion of the creators.
我认为更客观合理的是大众的评判而不是个人的否定。
比如让创作者在模型上传前填选（已验证/待验证）在模型展示页面进行显示，同时给下载者测试评分选项同样在展示页面显示（难易程度/成功率）我认为这样是更加人性且合理的，给创作者更多的空间也给下载者更多的参考。而不是使用现在这样盲目且激进的行为，这会扼杀许多潜在的优秀项目。
I think what is more objective and reasonable is the judgment of the public rather than the negative of individuals.
For example, let the creator fill in the selection (verified/to be verified) before uploading the model to display on the model display page, and at the same time give the download the test score option is also displayed on the display page (difficulty/success rate). I think this is more human and reasonable, giving the creator more space and giving the download more reference. Rather than using the current blind and radical behavior, which will kill many potentially good projects.
Let’s be honest… you just want to collect points to get free stuff. I spend many hours each week creating as well and somehow I still find time to actually print the damn things afterwards. (usually many iterations while I iron out stuff that I don’t like) Then I photograph them and throw the early iterations away.
It’s not reckless or unfair. It’s the cost of doing business as a “creator”. You essentially want to be a software engineer that comes up with an idea, write up pseudocode and then take a victory lap because the software is finished… but it’s not, it isn’t even partially baked. It’s entirely worthless until you PROVE that the concept works. It’s not on the end user to prove that, it’s the designer’s job.
Makerworld has absolutely no obligation to protect those types of creators because frankly they are lazy, entitled and messy. Honestly, I’ll go one step further and say that most of them are probably ripping other peoples content/ideas off entirely and hiding it in plain sight by typing a bunch of words (like yours) to defend why they can’t be bothered to print anything.
英语并不是我的强项，这段话的内容有被正确的翻译传达吗？
你的言论盲目而可笑，不是所有人都是不负责任的，在你作出对“我”这样的人的指控之前甚至懒得花时间去查看我的工作，你是否去有去调查并拿出事实证据证明我是在不劳而获？你没去花时间调查甚至没去花时间阅读我的称述，不依靠事实而主观的认定别人是在为懒惰找借口，你的行为恰恰证明了你就一个懒惰自以为是的人。在承认自己工作的同时否定一切他人的工作，不论事实是否真如你说的那样。正是“你”这样懒惰、专断的人仅凭一条片面的指标就就完全否定所有人的工作，依靠自己的推测和想象妄加评判，毫无根据地胡乱指控使这件事变得鲁莽野蛮！没有上传实物图是否意味着没被打印验证？我也不会再与你这种不对自己言论负责任的人进行争论那是在浪费我的时间！
English is not my strong point. Is the content of this passage properly translated?
Your comments are blind and ridiculous, Not everyone is irresponsible，and you don’t even bother to look at my work before making accusations against people like me. Did you investigate and present factual evidence that “you just want to collect points to get free stuff”? You did not take the time to research or even take the time to read my statement, without relying on the facts and subjectively assume that others are making excuses for laziness, your behavior just proves that you are a lazy and self-righteous person. Acknowledge your own work while denying the work of all others, whether it is true or not. It is lazy and arbitrary people like “you” who completely deny everyone’s work based on only one one-sided indicator, make judgements based on their own conjecture and imagination, and make groundless accusations that make this matter reckless and barbaric! Does not upload the physical image mean that it has not been printed for verification? And I won’t waste my time arguing with someone who doesn’t take responsibility for what he says!
说实话，你们的行为对我没有影响，我对我所有的模特负责。我只希望班布的决定能照顾到更多的人，而不是像有些人那样自私地为自己服务。甚至出于恶意利用特权伤害无辜的人!
To be honest, your actions have no effect on me, I am responsible for all my models. I just wish Bambu’s decisions would take care of more people instead of serving themselves selfishly like some people do. And even use privilege to hurt innocent people out of malice!
To be honest, maybe you should go the thingiverse or patreon route. Thingiverse= will take any ■■■■ without question. Patreon= If what you make is so good then you will have people lining up to signup for your patreon. Then, you can afford some filament to print some of your models and come back and post them here. Problem solved. You can follow the rules and all is right in the world.
The amount of “poor me” in your posts is hilarious. It’s almost like you don’t even have a 3D printer at all and are trying to find a way to get a free one.
“poor me”？现在你可以收起你的鳄鱼之泪，仔细审视自己，不要随意诽谤别人。我有自己DIY的打印机他足够优秀以至于我不需要整天想着怎么免费获得一台新的。并且所有的模型我都有制作并上传图片，不论之前的还是以后的都没有违背规定。我只专注于分享我的作品以及如何让社区变得更好，从未在意过什么积分，那对我来说不重要，我获得了足够的积分也没想过使用它，他就一直躺在那。只有你一直在强调什么该死的“免费打印机”。现在我知道了你们关注的重点从来不是如何让社区变得更好，只是出于对别人的嫉妒然后借此机会胡乱攻击别人罢了。你的言论也再次证明了你从未关注过别人的作品是否违规只是借机打压他们顺便凸显自己。
“poor me”? Now you can swallow your crocodile tears, take a hard look at yourself, and stop slandering people. I have my own DIY printer and it’s good enough that I don’t have to spend all day thinking about how to get a new one for free. In addition, I have made and uploaded pictures of all models, no matter before or after, there is no violation of regulations. I just focused on sharing my work and how to make the community better, and I never cared about the points, it didn’t matter to me, I got enough points and didn’t think about using it, and he just kept lying there. You’re the only one who keeps stressing about the damn “free printer”.Now I know your focus has never been on making the community better, it’s just jealousy and taking the opportunity to attack others. Your comments also prove once again that you never pay attention to whether other people’s work is illegal or not and only use it to suppress them and highlight yourself.
Thank you, I will consider your suggestion and try more platforms in the future.Again, I have not violated any rules, just do not agree with the current blind radical approach.That doesn’t solve the problem at all. Report the garbage and upload new garbage again and again. The problem is not solved and creates more conflicts.
You’ve been the one playing victim for the past two days. That’s where the poor me came from. Honestly if you are printing your models then why have you even been arguing anything? It’s a simple rule put in place by the platform that you seem intent on using. (as others have mentioned you can put any ■■■■ you want on Thingiverse or even start a Patreon and go that route)
This isn’t the only game in town. I don’t want to suppress anyone, I just want all creators playing on a level field. Print it, post a picture move on. If people keep refusing there must be a reason and I can’t imagine that a few bucks in filament is it. If so, maybe start a gofundme so we can chip in and help because those are indeed hard times.
Also, you said you were done replying. Thanks for changing your mind, this has been fun.
